Vitali or Lennox ¿Who is really the H2H GOAT?

It was the part where you said Vitali dominated him bro :nono

Seriously though a prime, focused Lewis imo would beat anyone other than prime Ali, though he would still have a great chance.

The only others i wouldn't be a 100% confident of him beating are prime Tyson and Holmes.

 

I still think Ali is the best heavyweight, head to head. Then Tyson, then Lewis.

 

Since you just like a few others seem pretty intelligent. I will indulge in a semi relevant post


You seem like you watch a lot of fights. Did you watch the Tyson fights against
Tony Tucker
James Smith
Mitch Green?

All 3 were super heavyweights with very very limited talent. They were basically baby versions of what a true Super Heavyweight could be.

They went in there and used their huge size advantage to hug and clinch and bother Tyson all night.

ALL 3 went the distance. Not saying they didn't go in as spoilers, but Tyson had serious issues against super heavys. This was a prime Tyson.

People kept talking about Tyson's punching power. I think its very over rated. I think Tyson's power come from an accumulation of fast combos and a number of punches stringed together, not from one punch power.

Guys like Vitali and Lewis would have kept him off them all night. I mean if Prime Tyson can not even destroy super heavys like
Tony Tucker
James Smith
Mitch Green
how is he gonna fight real super heavys like Vitali or Lewis?

 

HOLY F-----K . I agree with this guy .:yep

 

Those fights weren't remotely close.

Tyson's aggressive style, punch variety and blinding handspeed are just as useful for outlanding and outworking opponents to a decision win. Just so happens he usually got them out there. ATG punchers tend to win that way.

 

TBF Tucker, Smith and Green all had iron jaws but yeah their were in survival mode which made it harder for Tyson, who wasn't the hardest to frustrate, but he won these fights handily.

Tyson's power is legit, he sit's with Foreman/Lewis/Wlad etc as one of the divisions elite bangers. Not much to seperate that group in terms of punch power. Maybe he didn't hit as hard as some of the others with a single punch but his speed and accuracy was deadly.

Vitali's gameness and willingness to fight would cost him dear with peak Tyson, and i think you would of seen him KO'ed by Lewis if that fight had continued (cue the nuthuggers). I don't rate him as high as others and think he's been blessed fighting in a poor era.

Lewis and Holyfield i've alway's said would be big trouble for peak Tyson, but he'd have a better chance of beating Lennox.

 

good post. But I disagree that 'ATG punchers' tend to win that way.

Look at some great p4p punchers

Julian Jackson
Prime Young George Foreman
etc

they usually just land that signature one punch and its all downhill for the other guy from there on out.

 

Foreman beat a lot of guys by accumulation too. Bludgeoned is the apt term for what George did.

Jackson was a freak and likely the hardest hitter p4p.

 

Lennox Lewis.

The klitschko brothers have done an admirable job carving their own legacy but they will most likely remain in Lennox's shadow for the entirety of their post fight careers.

 

Tyson wasn't limited to being a one punch KO artist. He was fast, accurate, threw combinations and paralyzed opponents with body shots, attacked from different angles, slipped shots and was an underrated counterpuncher. Doesn't really need to have the "one punch" power of a Foreman or Shavers when they're inferior in every other aspect. Wasn't too shabby in that department either FWIW. He wasn't an inside fighter but rather a midrange puncher. He was lazy in clinches a lot of times and some he'd even initiate himself, so when the break comes it acts almost as a reset button to put him back in his preferred range.

 

:deal Excellent post mate. Cool avvy too.

 

Tea Kay Oh Six

 

It's the truth. I'm always mildly irrirated when Tyson is compared to Foreman and Shavers as a puncher. He was several levels above them taking into account the various layers and attributes that make one. Their alleged slightly superior 'one shot' power pales in comparison to everything else Tyson brings to the table mentioned above. You've gotta be one puckered hipster mother****er or blind not to rate him accordingly here. One of the best ever, P4P or otherwise.

 

probably lewis... he beat the better competition and survived a storm from vitali in the first 2 rounds than started landing massive shots and beat vitali up ( yes vitali was still boxing a bit and landing some punches but lewis was landing BIG punches that were hurting vitali ( THAT uppercut, right hands, left hooks). He was going to get the stoppage/ knockout in the next round or the 8th... i'm a big vitali fan but how can anyone not watch round 5 and 6 of that fight and not see that vitali was on his way to being stopped??? seriously?!

 

LL is greater. This shouldnt even be an argument.

Vitali is on the level of a Frank Bruno