Vitali the man compare to Wlad the Squid.

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  1. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    I just want Wilder to knock Squidward out, pronto.
     
  2. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali actually was huge at the time. He was 205 and 21 years old when he fought and got decked by a 185 lb domestic level fighter in, Henry Cooper. The fight before that Ali went the distance with 188 lb journeyman, Doug Jones.

    So no, I don't think there's anything wrong with a 39 year old Wlad losing 3 rounds to a top 10 contender who is 9 years his Junior and displayed solid defensive skills. When Ali was 39 he was getting beaten by Berbick and Spinks.

    Now I believe Ali is the greater of the 2, but just appreciate Wlad, he's great in any era.
     
  3. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you don't believe Ali was big here are the weight and height advantages/disadvantages for every one of his fights from the Archie Moore fight on.

    Moore: +13 lbs, +4inches
    Jones: +14 lbs, +3inches
    Cooper I: +17 lbs, +4.5inches
    Liston I: -8lbs, +2 inches
    Liston II: -9lbs, +2inches
    Patterson I: +17 lbs, +3inches
    Chuvalo I: -2lbs, +3inches
    Cooper II: +13 lbs, +4.5 inches (this was the lightest Ali would weigh for the rest of his career)
    London: +9lbs, +3inches
    Mildenberger: +9lbs, +2 inches
    Williams: +2lbs, 0 inches
    Folley: +10lbs, +2 inches
    Quarrey I: +16 lbs, +3inches
    Bonavena: +10 lbs, +5inches
    Frazier I: +10 lbs, +4.5 inches
    Ellis: +30 lbs, +2 inches
    Matthis: -25 lbs, -3 inches (Mathis was a GIANT of the era and ended up walking around at 500+ lbs later in life)
    Blin: +22 lbs, +2 inches
    Foster: +15 lbs, +2 inches
    Chuvalo II: -5lbs, +3inches
    Bugner I: -6 lbs, -1inch
    Quarry II: +18lbs, +3 inches
    Patterson II: +30lbs, +3inches
    Foster: +40lbs, 0inches
    Norton I: +12 lbs, 0 inches
    Norton II: +7lbs, 0 inches
    Lubbers: +21 lbs +3inches
    Frazier II: +3lbs, +4.5 inches
    Foreman: -4 lbs, 0inches
    Wepner: -2lbs, -2inches
    Lyle: +5lbs, 0 inches
    Bugner II: -6lbs, -1 inch
    Frazier III: +9lbs, +4.5 inches
    Coopman:+20 lbs, +4.5 inches
    Young: +21 lbs, +1 inch
    Dunn: +15lbs, 0 inches
    Norton III: +5lbs, 0 inches
    Evangelista: +15lbs, +2 inches
    Shavers: +14 lbs, +3inches
    Spinks I: +27lbs, +2inches
    Spinks II: +20lbs, +2 inches
    Holmes: +6lbs, -1 inches
    Berbick: +20lbs, +1inches

    So, Ali had on average a 10.3 lb weight advantage and a 1.8 inch height advantage.

    Go back through Wladimir's history, back to when he was weighing in closer to 220 lbs and do the same thing. You will notice that he and Ali are almost exactly similarly large for the division given the time period.

    Size is a part of boxing, it's one of the 'gifts' that people like to talk about. Both Ali and Wlad were gifted with size and then were lucky enough to also have tremendous reflexes and speed of hand and foot for that size. Ali liked to clinch too btw ;)
     
  4. northpaw

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    Head to head, prime for prime I believe Wlad holds a number of physical advantages over Vitali, including hand speed and foot speed, power, and better technique. I believe Vitali has better timing, is a more fluid puncher, clearly has a better chin and better stamina than Wlad. The clinching Ruiz-esque Wlad that we now see is often compared to the iron chinned, go out on his shield Vitali which was only really seen vs. Lennox. When making comparisons, they should both be considered at the heights of their respective skillsets.
     
  5. Ducklerr

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    :good
     
  6. WiDDoW_MaKeR

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    I think this proves that people really do see what they want to see.