Vitali vs Frazier

Foreman had the power to keep Frazer at bay, arguably one of the hardest hitters ever. Vitali does not possess this power.

 

I can't believe how some are underestimating Frazier that much. Wlad is heavier than Vitali and punches MUCH harder and landet flush on Haye and still couldn't ko him. And do you really think Vitali lands punches on frazier easily? frazier is faster than Chisora and much more skilled. I would favour a prime Vitali too but Frazier has a decent chance

 

I despair at some of the totally clueless people on here.They should be banned for ignorance of the fight game.

 

Vitali by KO. To big, to strong, to good for Frazier.

 

KO2

Frazier is too small, long right and "goodnight!"

 

You clearly haven't watched the fights. If you don't think Frazier has a chance here,then yoiu know **** all. By all means take Vitali to win,but to dismiss Frazier just shows you're ignorant.

 

This could actually be a good fight. The problem with comparing fighters across generations is all the intangibles. I mean are we talking Frazier and Vitali at their primes all other things being equal? What I mean is, are we talking Frazier with the nutrition and training methods of the 60's and 70's vs Vitali of 2000? Or Frazier of 60's and 70's with Vitali fighting under the training techniques and nutrition of the 60's and 70's? as well, or vice-versa.

Anyway. Frazier is outweighed by 35-40lbs. He weighed 205-210lbs at his best, Vitali weighed 245lbs at his best. Frazier is vulnerable in the first 3-4 rounds. Vitali was pretty aggressive when he was younger and there is a very good chance Vitali stops Frazier in the first four rounds. However, Frazier has good head movement, VERY good head movement; he is constantly moving. Ali is possibly the fastest heavyweight ever and admitted he struggled to hit Frazier clean. Does this mean Vitali, who is slower does too? I would say so yes. The issue is Vitali hit harder in his prime than Ali did. He doesn't punch as hard as Foreman and IMO the first Ali fight took about 60% out of Frazier. By Jamaica he was overweight, inactive and past it. Frazier from the Fight of the Century was a beast in all honesty. Fast, great at cutting the ring off, excellent head movement, incredible stamina, vicious on the attack and able to take a good shot. That Frazier is hard to beat and he cut down big men before: Buster Mathis for example (Yes, Mathis is not as good as Vitali - the point is that his power told on a much bigger man).

IMO it's 50-50 whether Frazier survives the first 4 rounds against peak Vitali. But, if he does, Vitali could be in for a very long right. When Frazier started smokin' he was VERY hard to beat; he got stronger as the fight went on whilst he drained you with bodyshots. He could cut the ring off on Vitali and he would pound to the body. This is where the size comes in. I wouldn't be surprised if Vitali leaned on Joe, used his strength and basically neutralized Frazier.

Tentatively I say Vitali because of his size, strength, awkardness and overall ability. I would NOT be surprised however if Frazier got dropped a few times in the first round, and then wore Vitali down and won on points. I don't think he'd stop Vitali, he might hurt him, but I doubt he'd stop him. If not, Vitali KO early or possibly neutralizing Frazier to win on points. I do feel Vitali would struggle with Frazier's head movement though. Conversely Frazier would struggle with Vitali's strength. It's an interesting fight that probably leans towards the bigger man; 40lbs and 8 inch height and 6 inch reach deficits against a skilled opponent is a hard obstacle to overcome, even for a great pressure fighter like Frazier.

 

He certainly doesn't have one punch stopping power like Foreman. He wears down out of shape fatties, he doesn't put them to sleep.

 

Ali wasn't even the fastest in his cruiser years, and if we take cruiserweights too, I hear Roid Jones Jr laughing.

frazier is good for his height and weight, but against the bigger opponents his KO power was practically gone.
He isn't going to hurt Vitali, or he isn't going to hurt him enough when he's lucky.

Stamina is a point where Vitali beats everyone his own weight, frazier had very good stamina too but Vitali isn't going to gas either.
frazier has a minor advantage here.

A younger Vitali would probably be very agressive in this fight going in without fear his chin would break, it's a bad fight for frazier.

 

I disagree with your assertion about stamina. Both time Vits faced good comp he was not only beaten but sucking wind early.

 

Bull****..... V.K.'s power is fine...... Also, V.K.'s skills are well intact.... Frazier gets schooled while eating leather trying to get inside to V.K.
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I said Ali was possibly the fastest heavy ever. There was no certainty in my statement. I would say Ali, Tyson and yes Jones could all compete for that position. Doesn't really take away from what I am saying; no reasonable person would argue Ali was anywhere but in the top 5 of fastest heavyweights ever. Indeed many would regard Ali as the fastest heavyweight ever. Roy Jones wasn't really a heavyweight anyway and really threw pot shots at Ruiz to win; Ali threw blistering combinations with speed - harder to avoid.

As for Frazier's power against bigger men, I disagree his power was 'practically gone' simply because it isn't true. Frazier KO'd the three men he faced who weighed more than 230lb. What you say doesn't really bare up to that fact. To say 'he isn't going to hurt Vitali' is way to certain. This is boxing; there is no certainty.

Mentioning Frazier's stamina as only a minor advantage kind of suggests you haven't seen much of Frazier's fights. The man has a major advantage against any heavyweight in history in the stamina department and is the only fighter to ever replicate what Henry Armstrong did at the lower weights at heavyweight. Vitali had decent stamina, but I've seen him weary before. Frazier has great stamina. There is a solid difference.

Don't worry though I am not going to argue with you if you believe Vitali would win. It's a reasonable opinion to hold, as I have already discussed. I just think Frazier could potentially make it a hard fight for Vitali, and he has more than a small chance of winning.

 

How exactly does Vittles stop him from getting inside? He throws relatively straight punches like Ali, who was much, much faster. He doesn't throw looping or clubbing punches like Foreman, who was much more powerful. There is also the stamina issue to consider. Against Byrd and Lewis Vits was heavily breathing out of his mouth by the 5th round. Fraziers motor never stopped or slowed down at his best.

 

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