Vitali wouldnt last 3 rounds against a prime tyson, Foreman, and Ali

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  1. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Read this on another thread ...

    Even though i'm far from being a huge fan of the guy , as a rational person , i'd still like to ask anyone who shares this guy's opinion how can you be so sure ?

    is it because of his latest fight ? is it his style ? or maybe all his previous fights too ?
    No seriously , i'm just curious how can someone make such a claim with so much certainty ?

    As far as my position is concerned (on this issue) all i'm going to say is , "i don't know for sure".

    It's reasonable enough right ? But i'd still guess that what the guy said above seems unlikely. Still , no matter the opponent , it would be a 50/50 type scenario.

    So in a nutshell , i'm personally claiming 50/50 without certainty. Fair enough ?

    But , if you share this guy's opinion , i'd like you to explain why you're so certain of it.

    Now , before you reply to this message , consider these facts:
    Prime Tyson:
    1991 vs Donovan Ruddock WON by UD
    1991 vs Donovan Ruddock WON by TKO in the 7th
    1990 vs Buster Douglas LOST by KO in the 10th
    1987 vs Tony Tucker WON by UD
    1987 vs James Smith WON by UD
    1986 vs James Tillis WON by UD
    1986 vs Mitch Green WON by UD
    1986 vs Jose Ribalta WON by TKO in the 10th round
    1986 VS Mike Jameson WON by TKO in the 5th round.
    1986 VS Jesse Ferguson WON by TKO in the 6th round

    NOTE:
    Fighter's reach
    Buster = 83 (lost that one)
    Green = 82 (finished by ud)
    Smith = 82 (finished by ud)
    Tucker = 82 (finished by ud)
    Ribalta = 80 (won in the 10th)

    Tyson had a reach of 71 (almost as small as Tua's 70)

    Let's make a few things clear. I'm not saying that Tyson lost against Buster because the guy had a reach of 83 or that all fighters who had a reach of 82 would automatically last the distance.

    For instance
    He beat jameson in the 5th (jameson had a reach of 79)
    He beat Ruddock in the 7th & by UD (Ruddock had a reach of 75)
    He beat Berbick in the 2nd (Berbick had a reach of 78)
    He beat Holmes in the 4rth (Holmes had a reach of 81)

    NOTE:
    Holmes was 39 yrs old at the time of the fight , Tyson was 22.

    This is Muhammad Ali against a 188 lbs Henry Cooper.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnEDM4EC5kw[/ame]

    Now , if you think it is unfair or if you think it's "cherry picking"

    I'm just afterall , doing the same as the ones who are singling out the Vitali vs Johnson fight.

    This is Foreman against Jimmy Young

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AePc6gKmYWo[/ame]

    Jimmy young was 6'2 btw. (Vitali is a 6'7½ tall guy )

    So , i'm not trying to insinuate that Vitali would beat them all. But i'm asking you , when you know these facts. How can you be certain that a 6'7½ guy who holds a 90.24 KO% ratio would crumble in the 3rd ?

    How can you be absolutely certain that he'd have no chance in hell ?
    Is it because of his loss against Chrys Bird ?
    (but did you know that he had a torn shoulder rotator cuff ? )

    Or because of his fight against Lewis ?
    ( which he was clearly winning on the cards before the cut stoppage ? )
    So even if you think he's "****" and boxes like a "robot" , it seems like his mediocrity did wonders in his career hasn't it ?
     
  2. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    You really didnt have to go into all that detail, there are a lot of clowns on these forums that love to come up with ridiculous garbage like that.

    It comes from emotion not from logic.
     
  3. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    #1 Vitali is way past his prime.
    #2 Nobody is stopping Vitali in 3. He is not his brother. His chin is ****ing granite.

    Idiots often confuses him with Wald.
     
  4. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    Slow, inconsistent timing, no power on his punches anyymore, open defensively when he's throwing punches. Maybe that's why some people feel that one of the fastest, most powerful, aggressive HW's of all-time with one of the best defensives can beat him?
     
  5. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hate when people use this "clearly winning on the cards" .... Billy Conn was clearly winning and Joe Louis knocked him out. Also, on the official cards, there were discrepencies as to which rounds went to which fighters. So While it may have been 4-2, no round was like...that's an obvious round for x or y. LAstly...whats the big deal abou being slightly ahead on the cards in 6 rounds? Championship fights are 12 rounds.
    Now, if it was like a 6 round domination and all the rounds wre decisive..you may be on to something...but damage caused by punches is a VERY valid way to win a fight.


    Now that that is out of my system, I would like to agree with the original premise. I don't know how long Vitali would or would not last against Tyson, Foreman...whoever. But There's no way I would underestimate a dude who is that huge and wins most of his rounds and most of his fights in a pretty clear fashion.
     
  6. Windigo

    Windigo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why is it fair to compare an over the hill Vitali to a prime ATG HW? Yes a 38 year old Vitali would probably get beaten badly by many ATG HWs in their prime. Thats why we call it prime. The sad part is that his chin is too solid for him to be dropped in 3 it would be an Ali-Holmes type beating.
     
  7. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Only Klitschko wasn't knocked out it was a cut stoppage.
     
  8. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Btw guys , i'm repeating myself here...I'm not insinuating that klitschko would kill all these ATGs... My opinion ? i personally think 50/50 without certainty.

    I'm only asking , (for anyone who shares this guy's opinion)..How can you be certain that vitali would get killed in 3 rounds or so ?
     
  9. Jennifer Love Hewitt

    Jennifer Love Hewitt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whatever. KO, Dr stoppage. It's all due to damage cause by punches.
     
  10. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A cut stoppage is not a ko. It's a cut stoppage.

    (sightly off topic.)

    This is fedor emelianenko vs Tk ( this is fedor's only loss)
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2XtuSFYmM0[/ame]

    and another
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYQNSO0R9_Y[/ame]

    (a fight he was winning)...



    In vitali's case , whether we admit it or not , the guy was winning prior to the cut stoppage.
     
  11. TommyV

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    Over the hill? People were talking about how great he was prior to this and how he's better than ever? Suddenly he's over the hill? :lol:

    May I remind you a 38 year old 'over-the-hill' Vitali had 4 years out of the ring aswell, throws over 1,000 punches a fight and is in such good shape that he went for a jog after beating Chris Arreola.

    It's funny how a guys flaws can finally be shown by a guy who lost 12 rounds to zero. Johnson did himself no favours, but he finally showed the world that Vitali Klitschko is not the H2H ATG heavyweight he is made out to be.

    If we are talking about a 2003 version of Klitschko, then fine. So be it. He was even easier to hit with a lower punch volume. It doesn't matter what version it is. Vitali isn't 'over-the-hill', but whatever version we take, he's beatable.
     
  12. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pre prison Tyson would blast them both out of there in one round.
     
  13. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson went to prison in 1992 , You're saying 1 round & you're conveniently ignoring all the facts above. (either that or you didn't read anything)
     
  14. StreetsOfGold

    StreetsOfGold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali wouldnt last 3 rounds against a prime tyson, Foreman, and Ali
     
  15. TommyV

    TommyV Loyal Member banned

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    #1 - Why the **** are you posting Fedor video's to try and make a point? Because firstly nobody including me is going to watch them, and secondly they aren't making a point.

    #2 - A stoppage on cuts is a legit stoppage. Vitali's face was in tatters, and the damage was all caused by punches.

    #3 - Who cares if he was winning? He was still getting damaged by punches, and there was still 6 rounds left. He was only two rounds up after 6, and momentem was shifting Lewis' way. Nobody can be sure of saying Vitali would win on the cards of would of knocked Lewis out at all.