Vitali wouldnt last 3 rounds against a prime tyson, Foreman, and Ali

Let's talk about Tyson and Vitaly (Ali and Foreman are another story). Vitalys critiques say he hasn't fight any big names because the are is weak; so what about Tyson, there are no fighters he fought who can be considerd ATG (he lost twice against Holyfield). So I think this argument does not count against VK.
Sure, Tysons style was way more entertaining than Vitalis; but Vitali has other skills. Just imagine a fight against Tyson. Tyson on the attack from the opening bell, running towards Vitali his head low down to get into to infight, trying to land an uppercut. What would Vitali do, he would lean his 250pound body on Tyson and push him down. Tyson would not be able to land anything meaningfull. You may say, that the referee should stop Vitali from doing this, but then he should also stop Tyson from attacking with his head so low down.
The fight would go on like this for a while. The question is, could Tyson have landed something to hurt Vitali, or would Vitali wear Tyson down and score with his Jab? Fact is, we will never know, but I doubt that a prime Tyson would easy win against a prime Vitali.

 

Not hurt? What the **** was it then if he wasn't hurt?

I'm too tired to go on: Translation - I give up. You win by virtue of providing video evidence and putting a hatchet to my statements.

Look at the stunned look on his face, and the fact he literally rans away to the other side of the ring. What the **** was that if he wasn't hurt, a ****ing dance?

Credit to him for staying active, but he's beating up the best of an extremely bad bunch. And the Johnson fight he looked awful. And by the way, he's never fought Toney.

Yes they may have to work to beat him, but there's many a HW that would defeat either version of Vitali that we've seen.

Different sport, we'll leave it at that. I'm not talking to you about MMA because it's irrelevant.

You seem to conveniently avoid saying that Vitali was already in training for weeks and in top-shape in preparation for facing Cedric Boswell on the undercard. In fact, they'd already been studying Lewis as he was a potential opponent for the next fight.

Lewis wasn't obliged to accept a rematch. He knew he was past his prime and retired on top. He was a pro for 14 years and the undisputed HW champion. He'd achieved all he needed and wanted to and didn't want to risk his legacy and health fighting on pointlessly with nothing to prove and nothing to gain but moneywhile past his best.

See above. Vitali was already in training and had already had a good look at Lewis. Lennox wasn't primed. Nearly 38, after 14 solid years as pro without a prolonged rest, and a years inactivity at a career high-weight.

He still wasn't exactly primed. As you said, Tyson was past his prime and Rahman was, well, Rahman. He was also in better shape and as a result had more tools at his disposable, including his mobility.

He was probably past his prime around the turn of the millenium. You also seem to be ignoring the fact that the only other time he came in at such a high weight and out-of-shape, he was knocked out by B- level Rahman.

We're not talking about the 90's. And I'm not critcising Vitali for going the distance. I'm sceptical of this seemingly 'ATG invincible aura' surrounding him because I don't believe for a second he's as good as he's made out to be.

I'm not jumping on the critical bandwagon after one bad performance. I merely stated that it provides some proof as to his actual ability. I've long been sceptical of his ability, the performance against Johnson merely goes further to enforce it.

I'm not finding excuses for Lennox. You are putting words into my mouth by bringing up the Mavrovic fight when I never even mentioned it before. Lennox wasn't particularly impressive in that fight as far as I remember. He should of performed better. So should of Vitali.

Convenient his age is being brought up now that he's supposedly 'past his best'. People were proclaiming this guy in the best shape he's ever been in. He's also had a 4 year break from fighting, and turned pro 7 years after Lewis. Vitali has been a pro for barely half as long as Lewis had at 38.

I feel like I'm somehow repeating myself. Everybody knew - apart from conveniently Klitschko fans - that Lewis was:

• Past his best.
• Overweight.
• Wasn't obligated to accept a rematch.
• Got a legit stoppage win.
• Was only 2 rounds down, and was improving in rounds 5 and 6 before the stoppage.

Says who? You? Again, trying to put words in my mouth. Yes I'd be disappointed if Haye was winning on the scorecards and lost via a cut, but it's a legitimate stoppage. It's part & parcel of boxing and legit, get over it.

Wrong. You are a Klitschko Fanboy and are attempting to convince yourself there's a double standard. And are probably surprised to see I've been remarkably reasonably and logical.

 

:rofl

You are absolutely clueless.

They had worse win-loss ratios because they fought the best around, and they fought them regularly. Not to mention that fights were commonly fixed or pre-arranged in those days.

If we go back even earlier - seeing as you are talking about old-timers, something Sonny Liston isn't - then it's the same story. They fought even more regularly against the best, and fights were more even more commonly pre-arranged, or had pre-conditions, for example, if fighter A couldn't knock out fighter be within 20 rounds, even if he won all 20 it would be a draw.

 

if a 38 year old LEwis shredded a prime Vitalis face, what would a prime Ali, Tyson or Foreman do to it? DUMBASS

 

I guess Larry Holmes is a club figter ? At leat 5 Tysons opponents would destroy either of the Robots

 

You listed above for Lewis, how about the stats for Klitschko, 6 time world kickboxing champ........etc.etc.......I dont, have the full stats infront of me or I would post them. If your going to post on half of the information to back up your ******ed claim. Dont leave the other half out just BECAUSE it would make your claim look like ****!:deal

 

Agree with this :thumbsup

 

Lefthook89 should challenge Vitaly, be a 3 sec fight........lol.. I would love to see that.

 

Best post in this thread :thumbsup

 

What does him winning 6 World Titles in Kickboxing have to do with anything?

All right, if you want Klitschko's factors going into the fight, here:

• 32 years of age and primed.
• 6½ years as a professional.
• No idea when he actually started boxing/kick-boxing at a high level.
• At his normal weight and in his normal condition.

 

• Klitschko was not prime: not enough big fight experience. His prime came after the Lewis fight.
• Klitschko was a replacement. He took the fight on two weeks notice.
• Trained for a 10 rounder. Not properly conditioned.
• Lewis was in The Ring TOP 10 P4P.
• Lewis was 37
• Lewis was training for a 12 round championship bout.

 

The guys who think that Vitali would only play the role of a victim against either Tyson, Foreman or Ali are clueless. It's basically the same with Arthur Abraham, my man in the ring. There are so many guys who think that he is a slow punching Euro fighter, just a knockout waiting to happen - unbelievable. Vitali would give every HW fighter ever lived a tough fight. I don't say he would beat them all, I'm just saying that he would be very competitive. Same goes for Abraham in MW/SMW.

 

#1 - So when was his prime? The Danny Williams fight? Or in the middle of his 4 year lay-off?

#2 - Likewise, Lewis was facing a fighter he wasn't training for. Klitschko was already in training to face Cedric Boswell on the undercard aswell.

#3 - Funny, he looked in pretty good condition to me. He also weighed-in at his normal sort of weight.

#4 - Jose Luis Castillo was in The Ring Top 10 P4P before the Hatton fight, did that make him prime?

#5 - As I've already stated. I said almost 38. Learn to read numb-nuts.

#6 - Technically, yes. Was he in the shape though? No. He took Kirk Johnson lightly and didn't up his training when Vitali was announced as the replacement. Perhaps he underestimated Vitali aswell as he promised a knockout.

 

You mean people tyson lost to or won against he ahs only beaten larry holmes and old faded holmes!

 

1. Yes the fights after the Lewis fight before he retired.
2. The training for a 10 rounder against an average boxer is not the same as the training for a 12 rounder hence Klitschko's poor stamina in that fight.
3. Klitschko doesn't balloon in weight between fights but it doesn't mean he is in excellent condition.
4. Castillo was never a good 140 pounder. Once he went up to 140 he struggled with an average boxer in Reyes, won a questionable SD over Ngoudjo, was knocked out by Hatton.
5. Quit the childishness. I was merely stating a fact.
6. Maybe, maybe not. The fight was fought at a furious pace.