Vitali wouldnt last 3 rounds against a prime tyson, Foreman, and Ali

That is a very ******ed statement.

 

Fedor would crush prime Mike Tyson in one round.

 

Buster Douglas destroyed Prime Tyson, yet he walks through Vitali in less than 3? Tyson never walked through anyone on Vitali's level in his career.

 

#1 - MMA has nothing to do with boxing. Different sport, differnet rules. A terrible example to use.

#2 - Lennox 'avoided' the rematch as you so put it because he was uninterested and losing his physical prowless. This was evident by the way he come in at a career-high weight for a tough fight.

#3 - He was 4-2 up. Two rounds up, with 6 to go. Anything could of happened. And momentum was actually swaying in Lewis' favour.

Do you think that was a prime version of Lewis - both in physical & mental state - in there with a prime Vitali?

 

based on what?

Imho Vitali has at least a 50:50 chance against a prime Tyson and at least a 40:60 chance against Ali...it's really ridiculous how many guys here have no clue about boxing atsch

 

#1 - Lucky punch. HAHA. Who cares? Lewis opened a cut, and pounded it until he got the stoppage. He knew what he was doing. If it was the other way round, Vitali fans would be claiming the same thing.

#2 - It has nothing to do with me being from the UK. I call a fight as I see it. If I was that bias, I would be claiming Hatton was world-class and Froch beat Dirrell. I'm not.

#3 - It was actually TKO6.

 

No. I'm not actually. I've long been proclaiming Vitali over-rated and far inferior to his brother. It's just that the Johnson fight has finally seemed to kick some other people into gear & into realising he isn't all that. People have been proclaiming him a top 7 or 8 HW of all-time, some even higher.

 

This is all true........ V.K. at 38 is past his best days / nights... But he is still strong, solid and tuff as nails...... Nobody from the past stops V.K. in 3 rds....... No way.........
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V.K. has a chin 10X the granite of Wlad's jawbone.........:deal

MR.BILL:thumbsup

 

I agree with what you're saying. A loss is a loss. End of story.

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However, if we're talking about what "could" have happened without the cut, then nobody can overlook that Vitali had all the tools to beat Lewis.

 

Oh the irony.

Please tell me how Vitali has a 40% chance of beating a prime Muhammad Ali.

Ali is/was:

• Ridiculously quick compared to Vitali in hand and feet.
• Has a very similar reach coupled with that speed.
• A great jab.
• A great 1-2.
• Very quick combinations.
• Took punishment to the body better than any HW.
• Had one of the greatest chins ever seen at HW.
• Under-rated power, especially with the speed.
• Had tremendous heart.

Don't get me wrong. Despite this, Ali was beatable.

But Vitali's style is all wrong. Ali would struggle with a defensive-minded boxer because he didn't know how to be the aggressor in a fight moving on the front foot, and couldn't hit the body that well.

He'd struggle with a great pressure fighter like Frazier or Marciano because of there ability to cut off the ring quickly, slip his straight punches and bang the body and head continously not allowing him any room to move.

Vitali is as I said all wrong for Ali. He's not a great pressure fighter because he's slow and doesn't cut the ring off quickly; he moves out of range and slaps away to avoid punches, he doesn't slip or bob & weave, and he doesn't hit the body enough.

It would be similar to the Liston fights, only Vitali may last a bit longer. Liston had similar dimensions, a big reach, a pummeling jab, and under-rated techincal boxing skills with a good chin. But Ali showed what he could do with a guy like Liston. Vitali is essentially a slugger in this context, because he can't outbox Ali and he can't brawl and pressure and cut the ring off, and he's certainly not a defensive master.

 

On what basis? Lewis' feet in that fight were rooted to the canvas and he got dragged into a brawl with a guy who probably had a better chin, was strong and had big power and was younger and in better shape and primer.

A prime Lewis had everything. Very good mobility for a guy his size, obviously the size aswell - 6'5" with an 84" reach, a very good jab, a great right hand, excellent power, his hand-speed wasn't bad, and an under-rated chin.

If you put a prime Lewis in with that Vitali, he boxes off the back foot and makes Vitali look uncomfortable and cumbersome trying to close the jab. Lewis would be far more mobile as a result of better shape and use his jab more and stay disciplined by virtue of his top physical condition and confidence to maintain it for the distance.

 

Noone mentioned that Lewis was past it before the fight...In fact, Vitali was supposed to be an easy defence. It's all stupid BS to discredit Vitali's effort.

 

• Nearly 38 years of age.
• 14 years as a pro without a prolonged break.
• 20 years boxing at a high level without a prolonged break.
• A year inactivity before the fight.
• At a career high weight.

 

I have my opinion and you have yours. Ali was good, of course he was, thus I see him as the favorite against Vitali, but - imho - Ali wasn't on a different level or in another league. Vitali's punch volume is something special and together with his akward defense (his "leaning backward" style) he poses a thread to every boxer ever lived. A prime Tyson would've all kind of problems against a smart guy who is not only tall, but has a granite chin, throws lots of punches with decent power and has a good D. The reach advantage would be the decisive factor and in the end Vitali would win the fight by TKO. Foreman was a beast, but I see him losing by points against Vitali.

 

Forget Foreman and Tyson. I'm talking about Ali. So talk to me about Ali, and stop getting side-tracked and trying to hide behind perceived 'closer' fights.

Vitali's punch volume is only relevant if he's landed. Against Ali, he isn't. You think 1,000 punches automatically gives him a great chance? Newsflash son, it doesn't. Didn't you learn anything from Martinez v Williams? 979 punches threwn by Williams and he was very fortune to get the decision.

Ali would be moving around like a LW and any opportunity he gets, darting and out with quick combinations and then circling again. Vitali doesn't have the foot-speed to close the gap on Ali down and throw punches. The best thing he could do is leave the left-hand out and try to keep Ali at range and look to land the right-hand. But even then Ali had the lateral movement, reflexes and speed to avoid and counter anything. I doubt Vitali could time the right-hand on Ali if he couldn't time it on Juan Carlos Gomez for about 6 or 7 rounds.