Vitali wouldnt last 3 rounds against a prime tyson, Foreman, and Ali

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by boxingcar, Dec 14, 2009.


  1. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

    4,920
    12
    Feb 14, 2006
    You can put me down as one of the older guys who thinks the present day heavies are ****,but really you do have to take the Klitschko's seriously. You can't discount these guys even though most of their fights are the equivalent of watching paint dry.It's not just their size,it's the fact that in particular regarding their strengths they are good at what they do.Wlad although more vulnerable in the chin department is a talented fighter,he's no Primo Carnera but ally that talent to his size and you have a serious proposition.Vitali on the other hand although less talented as he's proven is a tough S.O.B. When you have a 6'7" 17 stone plus guy who has a rock solid chin and isn't particularily going anywhere,then i would suggest you have a problem whoever you are. I was like a lot on here in dissing these guys,but you have to give credit where it's due.
     
  2. pugilist64

    pugilist64 Guest

    Of coarse he wasn`t he just slipped on a banana skin. :D
     
  3. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,339
    0
    Nov 20, 2007
    Use your brain.
     
  4. eiregobrach

    eiregobrach Member Full Member

    430
    0
    Dec 17, 2008


    He was hurt in my opinion but not badly, there was no panic in the corner, he had all his senses, holding on and blocking shots. It depends on your definition of "hurt badly." Its no shame being hurt by a puncher like saunders, the challenge is taking the shots, buying time and clearing the head imo
     
  5. skier47

    skier47 Guest

    Foreman couldn't even walk through the smallish but very elusive boxer Jimmy Young. In fact he lost that fight. Ali out-thought him and dominated him in their Manilla encounter. Foreman would be facing a bigger and stronger fighter with, unlike himself, phenomenal endurance and who also possesses a tremendous chin and two-fisted power. Vitali takes over late in the fight and an exhausted Foreman breaks like he did so often in his career against elites. Vitali spanks the diminuative, mentally weak Tyson and probably loses to prime Ali.
     
  6. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,569
    82
    Sep 28, 2009
    when your defense is as bad as vitali's, he'd probably get stopped within three rounds due to the severe punishment from ali's lightning quick punches. vitali doesn't have the speed, agility, or even power to trouble a prime ali. its a horrible mismatch
     
  7. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,569
    82
    Sep 28, 2009
    wow, really?? because vitali has faced SO many fighters with skills of a prime ali, right??:patsch. typical flawed klit boy logic
     
  8. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,569
    82
    Sep 28, 2009
    yes, because we all know that vitali has faced fighters with the speed, head movement, and power of tyson, give me a break. the only thing vitali has on tyson is size, thats it. he's too stationary, too slow, and only throws two punches: a a jab and a straight right. how many times would vitali throw that without getting countered with a leaping left hook from tyson???
     
  9. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,569
    82
    Sep 28, 2009
    vitali's level is beating chris arreola, sam peter, and struggling with a feather fisted kevin johnson, wow! all of these fighters would get brutally knocked out within five from tyson.
     
  10. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,525
    1
    Oct 5, 2005
    different sport but demonstrates how a "cut stoppage" on a fighter's record doesn't tell the whole story.

    You also conveniently avoid to say that Vitali took the fight on 2 weeks notice... Lennox should've accepted the rematch. (and understandbly didn't..too risky)

    As for the "prime" argument. Here again , you ignore the fact that the other guy took the fight on 2 weeks notice yet you're quick to point out that Lennox wasn't in his prime.

    Yet this is the same guy who in 2001 , not only avenged his loss by ko in the 4rth and who was toying with Tyson (in 2002). (past prime tyson)

    Rahman was 29 yrs old at the time of the fight
    Vitali was 32 yrs old...
    Lennox was 38 yrs old ...

    When did Lennox' prime end ? As soon as he fought Vitali or back in the 90's ?

    If we're talking about the 90's , here again , we're quick to judge Vitali vs Johnson because it went the distance , but let's not forget that in 1998 , Mavrovic also had no problems (and unlike Johnson) he wasn't avoiding the confrontation , he took all of lennox' best shots and kept on going like it was nothing. ( Lennox was 33 at the time of the fight )



    In conclusion.
    - we're quick to judge Vitali's latest performance against a guy who was more concerned to last the distance rather than hurt his opponent.

    But we find all the excuses in the world for anyone who isn't named Klitschko. The critics that we're using against this guy are valid for him but not for his predecesors.

    It seems like whatever this guy does is scrutinised by microscope (even at 38 yrs old).

    But when a 38 yrs old Lennox gets outpointed by a guy who took the fight on 2 weeks notice and who demanded a rematch (that lewis refused)...Thn it's ok.

    If Vitali would be in the same situation today (let's say David Haye or Povetkin manage to own him on the scorecards) and he manages to win the fight by cut stoppage...then refuses any rematchs , fans would be shitting all over him.

    I'm not a huge fan of his , and i don't like the Klitschko hysteria (fanboys) but at the same time , it seems clear to me that there's an undeserved ridicule about his entire career. There's a double standard.
     
  11. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,203
    4,556
    Sep 28, 2007
    This right here sums it up. Vitali doesn't see round 3.
     
  12. lefthook89

    lefthook89 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,569
    82
    Sep 28, 2009
    boxingcar, just because he doesn't knock everyone out within the first or second round deosn't mean he's completely incapable of knocking out klitschko in early rounds either. going by that logic, he shouldn't have knocked spinks out in the first since spinks was head and shoulders above any of the fighters you've just named. big george went through hell with alex stewart, yet tyson brutalized him the first round, now why is that?? after all, foreman is the better puncher and the bigger guy?? do you see where im getting at? do you see the ever so prevelant flaws in your argument?
     
  13. skier47

    skier47 Guest

    Freakin unbelievable, Defense as bad as Vitali's? Dude he hardly ever gets hit. He uses his height like prime Ali did back when 6 foot 3 inches was a very tall heavyweight boxer. Like Ali, Vitali leans away from punches which often miss by an inch or two. And this is fighting guys who are 6 foot 4 inches tall with hundreds of amatuer victories like Gomez. Vit also employed that lean back and counter hard against the very quickfisted and powerful heavy Kirk Johnson who had just slaughtered Maskeev. Vit buried Johnson and Gomez. You seem a rather articulate poster but you need to do some research. Vitali has all the markings of a great all-time heavyweight. Two-fisted power, iron-chin, phenomenal discipline and work-ethic and a willingness to take on all-comers. He also has great genetic advantages over his opponents as did Ali back in the sixties. He is both tall and athletic with long arms and quick reflexes for such a big man.
     
  14. boxingcar

    boxingcar Boxing Junkie Full Member

    7,525
    1
    Oct 5, 2005
    Absolutely. And that's why i'm asking what makes you guys sure that either him , foreman & or Ali would automatically finish this guy within 3 rounds ? (some even say 1 round )...

    When you know these facts about Tyson's career , it truely begs the question. How can you guys be certain of that ?

    My position , (and i repeat it again) is reasonable imo.
    I'm personally saying that he'd have a 50/50 chance against all of them. (and i'm saying this , without certainty)