Vitalis comeback title reign 2008-2012

Iggy was a 14 fight prospect with virtually no wins of note when Vitali left the ring in december of 2004.. By the time Vitali came back in October of 2008, Iggy had already retired. Mentioning him is moot. Haye, Povetkin and Chageav never showed much interest in fighting Vitali and frankly I think its kind of obvious as to why. Chisora was in worse shape when he fought Haye than he was when he fought Vitali and the reason Haye dispatched him early was because he had the speed to catch Derek with that Vitali no longer had. But if Haye were to fight Vitali it would have looked a lot like the Wlad fight with Haye being hopelessly outreached and afraid to take any chances.

 

What Vitali did- for the length of his layoff, his age and his injury was pretty remarkable. It was a great accomplisment. However it must also be noted that, most of his opponents were not top championship material. Still light years ahead of someone like Molina that a prime champion is electing to fight. However Wlad since 04 has taken the tougher competition.

 

no, very wrong and let me tell you why. I have badly injured both my shoulders several times in my life. Yet the time I tore my rotator cuff was DIFFERENT, my arm did not work mcvey ???

However, times I had minor shoulder injuries I could tough out boxing matches and did decent in one or two. My point is you are assuming that Buddy's torn cuff was as BAD as Vitali and I don't think you have the right to do that, I had a torn rotator cuff and was still benching 225 etc when it was only a little bit torn with only a little bit of pain, then I had to have surgery because it wasn't getting better, HOWEVER, the day I tore my rotator completely my arm stopped working, it was off the charts Mcvey, if that's what happened to Vitali vs Chris I seriously would not hold it against him. When I tore mine the BAD time I let out a tiny yelp and then my arm settled close to my body and wouldn't move with tremendous pain not from trying to move it, just from being paralized NUMB, mind you there is a lot of pain but its not a horrific type of pain, I have had way worse with other injuries but other injuries don't have the limb/arm go paralized,

here is my point, I bet if you and Suze and others had torn your rotator cuff like I did one day you would be saying, "if that happened to Vitali I can see why he would quit, he would be thinking, well in the next two rounds he will see I cant move my arm and he will then begin to beat the **** out of me and probably stop me, screw this, I am out of here to the doctor, my arm has never stopped working before, this could be the end of my career" ,,,

that's my point,,, now if you two and others have indeed torn your rotator cuff to the point like me whereby you had to go to the hospital asap and were told that you needed asap surgery because of how complete the rip was and couldn't use your ARM for the entire length of time prior to the surgery and you promise ME that you could TUFF it out and somehow go back in and survive vs Byrd for those final two rounds then I apologize to you as I had been assuming you both really were not that tough :bbb:good

 

As well he should have. Wlad established himself as the lineal champion during Vital's absence and as someone in that position it was his "job" to take on the best. That and Vitali was a high risk lower reward proposition causing a lot of top raters to steer clear of him.

 

yes thanks for saying, I thought this as well,,,,

what can happen is if one continues it can rip MORE, it can rip to a point whereby it doesn't work whatsoever, any tough guy can sit here and say, "well big deal, just fight him with 1 arm for two rounds rather than quit" but if the arm rips fully it will just hang there and he wont be able to move it up to his head, I couldn't lift my arm when mine ripped, but long before that I had put up with partial rips and just trained right through them just babying them which I got good at. But when mine finally one day just ripped it happened in quick sequence, first it ripped a bit and I grunted and held it and then I tried to continue stupidly, then when I lifted my arm back up above my head it twanged but felt not too bad and then BAM it blew and that was it, it stopped working, I was done. Imagine having to fight two more rounds with a arm that not only wouldn't work but would hang by your side in a stupid way,,,

people confuse the fact that cuff tears are not all created equally, boxers can have a tear that requires surgery but depending on how bad it is they could postpone the surgery and continue training and go through with a fight DEPENDING on what degree the cuff injury is,,, then there is the degree whereby your arm does not work, you need to go to the hospital and have surgery to repair it before it works again.

Yes so I always felt it was from a bravado of ignorance that everyone assumed that Vitali quit on his stool vs Byrd who everybody assumed was coming on. Whereas, I always took it that Vitali had looked good all the way until the last few rounds when Vitali starts struggling because his shoulder is damaged and most likely the times that he tries to work through the PAIN is the parts in time whereby it RIPs more and more until it would of POPPED like mine did and then its different, it may not look like a broken bone that comes out of the skin, but just like a broken bone, you cant move it whatsoever, it doesn't work. Thus if that's what happened, its not like Vitali could of gone out and just thrown fake jabs with nothing on them and gritted it out, the arm wouldn't work after a certain point.

 

And it should also be noted that Vitali Klitschko had suffered that same injury before during his kick boxing career as well as having a degree in sports medicine.. Therefore he was all too well aware of what he was going through and knew the consequences.

 

aye, I didn't think about that but yes.

 

One other thing: Byrd, at the time, was a fairly lightly regarded guy who filled in for Razor Ruddock (?) on two weeks notice. Byrd's accomplishments came after. So, at the time, Vitali was quitting against a guy who wasn't top ten and basically occupied a space in boxing similar to a peak Kevin Johnson. If Vitali felt like he was fighting an extremely important fight maybe he would've toughed out the last two rounds with a limp arm.

 

Well put.

 

yes that's totally true,,,,,

its also possible that if the arm had gone numb whereby he cant raise it above his waist he would of have to considered that it was possible he would get knocked out in the next two rounds as in all seriousness, how can you fight with a arm that doesn't work even if you are a pro boxer? So he would of had to consider that he was going to get the **** beat out of him in the next two rounds, loose by knock out PLUS maybe damage his shoulder even worse then it already just became whereby it maybe never recovers, lol,,, all those points and I could see myself quitting and I hate saying it but I have to admit its true. This quitting never troubled me, I always thought it was those that haven't ripped their rotator cuffs or had only tore them a little bit that were ignorant into assuming Vit quit that night because of a lack of toughness,,, basically guys that had never toughed out what most likely happened to Vitali.

By the way, I am not a Vitali fan boy,,,,

I thought Lewis beat him and was most likely going to knock out Vitali without that cut. Lewis seemed to weather a storm from Vital early and then appeared to start timing him and was getting more and more accurate, thus Vitali's face.

 

Albert Sosnowski.
Never heard of him before. Never heard of him since.

Kirk Johnson became a stepping stone to Brit prospects.
He was a bum then, and a bum now, as Tony Montana's mother would say.

 

I think you're referring to KEVIN Johnson. Kirk Johnson was actually a pretty good fighter, though I admit he was grossly over weight for the Vitali fight. And you mean to tell me you've never heard of the great Albert " The Dragon" Sosnowski?

 

Well Ms Montana may have been right about him being a bum, but she was telling off the wrong boxer...

 

All those guys were as good or better than Alex Leapai or the aged and over matched Jean Marc Mormec.

 

Well the great Dennis Boystov certainly couldn't so I suppose you're right.