Vitali's power ..

I feel like I'm playing a very old video game called duck hunt. It was big in the 1980's when I was a kid. After a while, the game became too easy and boring. Ducks flew up in a predictable pattern and were shot down. I seldom missed. The point I'm making is you are too easy, and often wrong. Now I grow weary of correcting you.

If you saying Lewis could not hit hard at age 27, or didn't have enough experience to stop Billups, your wrong. He should have stopped him.

Briggs took a good punch in his later years. I've meet him. He has a hulk like neck and cinder block sized head. Vitali nearly killed him, and broken his face. The fight should have been stopped. In all of Briggs fights, I think he knows who hit him the hardest. You don't.

 

1 ) Dice. Foreman was 48 for Briggs, not 50. He could still hit as you said.

Who hit who hardest means exactly that. Briggs said Vitali and he really nailed him in round 7, sending him backwards in the ring. The point of Briggs running a bit vs. Foreman is noted, but Foreman also landed his share in a very close fight. I also think Briggs took a better punch in his later years, wouldn't you agree?

2 ) I think Tyson hit plenty hard in the 1990's. Who says he didn't? It was his skills and stamina that were off. Did he hit harder in the 80's, likely. Few hit harder. Still the point remains, Williams said their power was even. I do not think Vitali hit as hard as a prime Tyson. I think you are missing my point!

3 ) If you cannot take a fighters statement on who hit him the hardest, you are taking out part of the equation. Would you rather go on KO percentage? If so few were better.

4 ) Ah, the old his competition wasn't great. What does that have to due with power? Put Vitali in with 200 pound men, and lighter gloves and he's hitting even harder. A better wya to look at it is Vitali stopped some very hard guys to stop, and often did it faster than any man before him. Check on it, you'll see I am correct.

5 ) Styles, like you said. Wlad's style was to set up his jab and fire a hard right hand. Vitali was more of a boxer who did not commit to his punches, and had the luxury of hurting his opponents without full commitment to them, as it fits his hit and move style. The didn't call him doctor iron fist for nothing. Like I said before Vitali hurt Peter far easier than his brother did.

 

I was a bit conservative there. He claimed "to two-hundred punches per round".

Last time I checked, a round in professional boxing got 180 seconds

 

Wrong sir, age and lax training pushed Lewis into retirement, if Vitali fought say,,,the Lewis who rematched Rahman? Lewis by 10th round TKO. Vitali would stay on his stool

 

Bingo, as I've already posted ,a better prepared Lewis beats up Vitali badly and he sits on his stool at the end of 9 rounds 10 tko

 

I'm like fine wine. Lennox one year before. Lennox looked beat in the post fight after the Klit fight. I dont think he knew where he was.

 

Well it wouldn't be the first time he quit would it?

• Judge: James Jen Kin 56-58

• Judge: Tom Kaczmarek 56-58

• Judge: Pat Russell 56-58

HBO's Harold Lederman had them level at 57 - 57

 

No,this is the guy that looked beat.

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1-oh my mistake foreman was 48 and not 50...that makes a HUGE difference. Thank you for the correction. Either way, in boxing years, he was probaboy older than some trainers and was literally a grandpa! Point being his reflexes and coordination were shot. Have you ever boxed or trained people before? Losing the bodily mechanics required to deliver power make a huge difference even if someone still has that raw power lurking within their body. My point? Whatever Briggs perception of how hard foreman actually hit is skewed by the fact he was old as hell and lacked the delivery system and coordination to use his power. You cannot use this fight as evidence vitali hit harder than a young foreman or even a 45 year old foreman. It's like if an old basketball player gets off his couch and pulls off an amazing jump shot from muscle memory. Doesnt mean that because he "still got it" that you could compare his jump shot to a guy 20 years younger and claim that guy is a better player!

Foreman landed 284/388 punches or 73%. Briggs landed 223/494 or 45%. That isnt a "close fight" AT ALL and you just exposed yourself because if you watched the fight (and were being honest) youd know it was a robbery!

Hell no Briggs didnt take a punch better at age 38 than 25 are you serious right now...?

2-mike fought danny in 2004 NOT the 90's! That's TWENTY YEARS since he made his pro debut and completely shot! So youre saying vitali's power is equal to a shot old Tyson who had no speed, head movement, or technique to even deliver his power?! If that's your point it's a very odd point to bring up as proof Vitali was a great puncher.

Shall we take his word as gospel and ignore the fact it took vitali 8 rounds to stop him but derek chisora only needed 2...? Question: when did danny williams make this statement about Vitali and Tyson?

3-im not saying we cant take a fighters statements seriously, I'm saying CONTEXT and LOGIC is very important, something you simply dont get and many posters have tried explaining to you. I take the statements about earnie shavers' power serious because he has the ko%, the on screen eye test, and anyone he landed flush on was visibly shaken or dropped. Literally everyone who fought him couldn't believe how hard he hit. However, statements can't be the only thing you use as proof, they should be the cherry on top otherwise youre gonna run into problems. Same thing with ko% otherwise lamar clark is the GOAT.

4-you have no evidence that vitali would easily demolish 200 pound fighters. The one he fought (chris Byrd) gave him all kinds of problems. A smaller man lacls reach and power but they have speed, stamina, and cageyness. I think Michael spinx for example could possibly squeeze a decision out of Vitali.

You seem to think that i believe Vitali didnt have any power. Ive said MANY times in this thread that he had heavy hands. But you keep ignoring the fact many of his "KO's" were referee stoppages with no downs. You cant praise him for stopping "bigger opponents" but ignore the fact many of them stayed upright when it was stopped. You can't have it both ways. Especially because his own brother Wladmir and other fighters like Lennox or wilder drop those same "bigger opponents" like they got hit by a slegehammer. Vitali simply doesnt have that same concussive 1-hit ko power like they do, it's obvious. Othwrwise he'd have a highlight reeel of brutal kos like they do.

5-Mendoza, do you notice that you often say things that prove someone's point and then you disagree with them? You wrote Vitali didnt always fully commit to his punches and methodically broke his opponent down with accuracy and volume--getting in and out. That's literally what I've been saying this while time (note: that's a smart way to box, its not a criticism).

If Vitali hit harder than Wladmir while planting his feet and fully commiting with his body weight behind it is irrelevant because that isnt how he fought. On screen we see that wladmir was much more cautious and yet he blasted guys out in a more explosive, impressive fashion. Vitali would be right in your face throwing many blows and yet he coudlnt drop some opponents.

 

Interesting that you seem to be inconsistent in when and where a fighters opinion is valid. When it favors Vitali it is defended by you, but about anyone else and it is critiqued

 

Hmmm
I don't think anyone has ever denied Klits face looked ****ed up.

 

Hmmm
I don't think anyone has ever denied Klits face looked ****ed up. Lewis threw everything he had at Klit and Klit barely blinked. Lewis knew it was smart to retire. There was a new big man. No shame. Everyone has their time.

 

Barely blinked?

Klitschko's face was mangled and if he was hit about the eyes much more he may have suffered irreparable damage. And Vitali was looking pretty sloppy as well in the last few rounds of the Lewis fight. It's not as if he was fighting fresh and Lewis was spent. They were both tired. Its just that Vitali's face was stuffed from the bigger punches Lewis landed and he needed saving hence L TKO6.

I've never seen such clutching at straws from a group of fans about what is in the cold light of day a pretty definitive loss. The fight was only half over, Klit was a round or two up at most and he was in no physical shape to continue because of the damage that had been inflicted upon him. There's hardly a moral victory to be drawn from that.

 

how come you wrote this a 2nd time, immediately after being told that you made it up?

billups was the one whose age changed significantly. I am incredulous as to where you dream up what you think you have read.