Vitali's quality of opposition since his return from retirement

Peter,Gomez,Areola,Johnson.....Better than most of Larry Holmes opposition and excluding 3 fighters better than Ali's for the most part....on par with Lewis...excluding Holyfield

 

They have all been top 10 ranked fighters, and Vitali has lost maybe 1 round over that period. Not many suppossed ATGs can claim the same

 

And what suppossed ATG's are you meaning?
Because the ones I rank fought a higher standard of opposition than both Klits. Not their fault but facts are facts:deal

 

And I'll translate your reply: Hi I'm Joe, I can't analyze a boxing match worth ****, because I'm just some stupid Klittschko bandwaggoner. I believe Vitali is invincible because everyone says so. I think Vitali is great because he beat a bunch of boxers who were never that good to begin with...yap yap yap yap.

 

I am amazed a mind could think this.

 

Good post. Didn't read the others before or after so I don't know the context of this "back and forth" .. but, :good.


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Heavyweight division is a complete joke full of "C" level athletes and bums.

No one even follows the sport since the last remaining decent talents retired.


Which clown is champion now?


Heavyweight boxing is similar to equatorial ice hockey, or eskimo long distance running. There is no one any good for obvious reasons.

 

Arreola and especially Kevin Johnson were exceptionally poor, Johnson had never faced anyone in the top 50 prior to getting his shot at Vitali. Lennox Lewis fought the most top 50 fighters at heavyweight ever. Holmes had a couple of easy fights but nothing as bad as KJ while he was champion.You are confusing 22-0-1 as being good, research those wins and if you know the boxers KJ beat you will understand. Best Arreola ever is, is top 20, he comes foward but is very limited in skills. The USA just does not have a great heavyweight at the moment.

 

Laughable post. Holmes who was a great heavyweight fought lots of no-hopers. He fought some skinny white guy named Scott Frank or something. I almost laughed when I turned on that fight to see this scrawny little white dude last several rounds with the much bigger and infinately more skilled Holmes. The chronically undertrained and depressed Gerry Cooney fought essentially even with Holmes for eleven rounds. Vitali would have crushed the mentally weak, one-dimensional Cooney. Reynoldo Snipes nearly K.O'ed a prime Holmes. Gerrie Coetzee, however, dominated Snipes and was robbed by the judges, one of the worst robberies in heavyweight history. We tend to glorify boxers from the past and touch up their resumes. Hell, Holmes took ages to beat down a parkinson-addled ancient Ali. Louis fought bum of the month dudes to help the war effort and dedicated a lot of the money to the troops. All champs fight their share of no-hopers. Vitali's opposition compares favorably with his historical counterparts.

 

Thats not the arguement, you have totally misread the post, we are talking about Vitalis opposition, not Holmes although he was miles ahead in terms of quaity opponents. Vitali is no where near the greats in history, but to compare to Lewis, Tyson and Hoyfield the more recent better real champs, he has a ong way to go. The probem with era's is that you can ony fight who is around. Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield never had fighters that they should have fought. It will be difficult for VK to leave much of a legacy because there is no one really about. BTW, Renaldo Snipes was a very good fighter and was top 5 at his peak. Holmes had a lot of title fights, he beat pretty much everyone who was around, fighters on the way ike Witherspoon, Berbick, Bonecrusher, who woud go on to be champions, the big names like Ali, Leon Spinks, Norton, Shavers, and in faireness he even beat Ray Mercer very late in his career when Mercer was still near the top. Scott Frank I don't really remember.

 

When did Vitali turn pro. Age 26, right?! So how do you expect him to fight in his first two years as a pro? Typical hater comment from Drexel.

 

in order to be an ATG, you have to beat at least 1 great fighter i would think....and you just contradicted yourself....saying his comp was average at best but had good records...its not his fault this time around theres no one for him to fight...and its not his fault hes not an all time great

 

Vitali is certainly among the greats in history. Just his incredible comeback after nearly four years out of combat is outstanding in terms of courage, discipline and tenacity. He slaughters the number 2 heavy in Peter in what Shannon Briggs described as "a boxing clinic" on this sites radio show about a month ago. Everybody creams their jeans over Sugar Ray Leonard's awesome comeback from eye problems but he was out for about half the time as Vitali and was much younger. I'm not diminishing Holmes as i consider him just shy of Ali and Louis in terms of greatness but I just used him to illustrate how all the greats had a lot of fluff in their resumes. Reynaldo Snipes was bested by a powerful puncher but rather pedestrian Coetzee who put Snipes on his backside a couple of times and would have been decimated by a true elite heavyweight like Vitali.

 

Vitali beat Juan Carlos Gomez who is regarded as a very good boxer with okay power. Did you forget that one? JCG also has a significant size advantage over Eddie Chambers.........................

 

A nice dose of reality is appreciated here, thanks! :good Very accurate too.

 

he puts on a boxing clinic against peter..ok...whats Peters claim to fame?? what makes that a good win? the fact he barley beat blown up middle champ james toney on 2 separate occasions ? :rofl
and you are an idiot,,,you compare leonards comeback fight against the middleweight terror in marvin hagler not as signifagant as Vitalis over Peter? :rofl:rofl:rofl
and holmes did have some bums on his resume...but he was champ for 7 YEARS junior.....and 19,20 defenses..... but dont forget mixed in their with those bums were mike weaver, earnie shavers, ken norton, muhammad ali, tim witherspoon, carl williams, trevor berbick, bonecrusher smith, gerry cooney, michael spinks...but yeah, you bring up scott frank....you big moron :roflatsch