Vitaly Klitschko: Boxing fraud?

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  1. MAJR

    MAJR Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lewis didn't retire immediately after his fight with Vitali. He beat Vitali in June 2003 and announced his retirement from boxing in February 2004. He spent months thinking about his career and whether he still had the hunger anymore and decided he didn't so walked away.

    And his reasoning for not fighting Vitali again is pretty hard dispute. In the worst shape he'd ever been in physically, in the worst mental condition he'd ever been in for a world title fight, with little-to-no preparation for the fight, he'd taken the best Vitali had to offer, withstood it and destroyed his face in return.

    Lennox had nothing to prove and owed Vitali nothing, he'd beat him at his worst, Vitali wasn't good enough to get the job done when he had the chance.
     
  2. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When did Byrd refuse a rematch? Link it please. Vits never sought one, he linked out because lil Byrd made him look like crap and was on the way to stopping an exhausted Vittles if he didn't quit.
     
  3. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok, don't talk **** just refute it than. I can destroy anything you bring to the table on this subject....guaranteed.
     
  4. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis had said he wanted one more fight with either Jones or Vits and was retiring. Learn what you're talking about first. Do you need the link as proof?
     
  5. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly! Vits had his chance and couldn't capitalize on it. TKO6.....Live with it klitards!! :yep
     
  6. Cletis VanDamme

    Cletis VanDamme Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: at OP being a so called former amateur boxer, no way, not to mention a heavyweight :rofl

    People can be whatever they choose to be now, all they need is a computer and a web connection.
     
  7. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Light heavyweight, 178lbs. And what you thinks means nothing to me. I've been in the ring with pros such as Tom Galipeau, Manny Contreras and former IBF #3 rated Brian Barbosa . I've trained with Vinny Paz and Stevie Collins and had both Goody and Pat Petronelli giving me pointers when I went to train with Collins in Brockton. Was I anything great. Nah. But I can say I've actually been in the ring before and have no reason to make up a list like this. What exactly are your stellar accomplishments besides being an armchair warrior?
     
  8. DrMo

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    A boxing fraud?

    No, that's harsh imo. He's a long term titlist with a large amount of one-sided wins over B level competition, a good supporting act to his brother.

    His comeback has added to his legacy but his mythical H2H status is rather undeserved, he lost against the 2 best opponents he faced. His chin is overrated too, the only good punchers he faced (Sanders & old Lewis) both had him in serious trouble.
     
  9. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You're right, he's not a boxing fraud as much as he is fraudulently overrated by his fans. I don't really think his comeback adds much to his legacy. He really fought nobody very good since coming back. I think he rates much higher h2h as I think he would give many tops heavyweights in history a very difficult time with his size and awkwardness. The one thing that stands out for me though in these mythical h2h fights is his stamina. The two times he fought good fighters that did not cower to his he was sucking wind by the fifth round. I think that's a big factor in any h2h match up one might put him in.
     
  10. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What are you, 12? If you're going to try to insult me you better come stronger than that! :lol:
     
  11. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    :blood I happen to like the Klitschkos. And am Black? Its not their fans that are the problem or a fan of anyone its the nuthuggers. Especially the nuthuggers that obsess over race they are the worse.

    Its his dominance and number of defenses that gets him praise. Not like he was in an era packed with top names. Best names are Ruiz and a faded Holyfield and they wouldn't do much for him or his brother.

    Completely fair. Great fighter and as any H2H any thing can happen on any given day. Dont believe people should pay so much attention to that or ATG ranking as both are mainly subjective. Facts of what happened in ones time and what they did precede all of that.

    It is as well as Byrd & Lewis didn't give up and fight just for a paycheck as almost all of Vits and Wlads opponents do. Not their fault but its true.
     
  12. DrMo

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    Some Klitschko fans are disgraceful & beyond reasoning with, genuinely the worst group of "fans" in boxing :-(

    He hasn't beaten the cream of the crop but at his age winning decent fights in dominant fashion (until Chisora) is fairly impressive. Its not a great legacy to build on so every little helps :yep

    Personally, he's not in my top10 H2H at heavyweight. Stylistically he's eerily similar to Primo Carnera but with a better chin & he's not in the same class as genuine HW greats H2H on film & he doesn't have the record to prove otherwise.
     
  13. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I did a thread over at bscene a few years ago talking about the similarities in Vitaly and Carnera's styles. Klit fans didn't like that very much but its actually very easy to see if you aren't blinded by bias. Its why I've always maintained Joe Louis would have beaten Vitaly, though with more trouble than Primo. I also maintain Carnera had more heart. Klit fans also disagree with that but they have no idea why because they don't known boxing history.
     
  14. Berliner

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    If you boxed before you should know how bad a shoulder injury can be. So why in hell do you critize Vitali for quitting? Worst injury you can have (despite maybe a big back injury).
    Doesnt make sense.
     
  15. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    When you're up on the cards with three rounds to go you simply don't quit. I had a torn rotator cuff during a football game my senior year of high school. It hurt like hell but there was no way I was leaving the game. Now I missed wrestling season because of it, but screw it, the state championship was more important. I don't think Vits quit because of the injury. I think he quit because he was exhausted and frustrated. That's why i criticize him. So his shoulder hurt, big deal. That's why he makes millions, to fight on like a real warrior. Quitting against a guy a half foot shorter, 35lbs lighter and who took the fight on less than two weeks notice is not the sign of a warrior.