Vitaly Klitschko is the most overrated heavyweight in history.

The only other beltholder with any serious claim to the title is his brother, Vitali.

Haye's belt should already be around Wlad's waist since he beat Chagaev, who beat Valuev before & better than Haye did.

Chagaev never lost his belt in the ring, until he fought Wladimir anyway.

When Vitali retires Don King will make sure he gets his grubby hands on the belt by having 2 of his undeserving fighters fight for it. Then he'll price his "champ" out of any unification with the real champ Wlad.

 

14 Posts.. Troll. Try searching this forum before you repost old ideas.

 

Vitali is tough and durable, packs good power, throws a lot of punches, and is a genius at controlling distance. On ability alone, he's an excellent heavyweight.

Very rarely will I diminish a loss on a fighters record. (Although I don't think Williams beat Martinez, I'll give him full credit for the win. Although I don't think the ref should have stopped Salido vs. Lopez, I give Salido full credit for the win.) However, Vitali losing against Byrd was ridiculous. Vitali dominated Byrd outright. Chris Byrd clearly won one round and may have stolen one other round. Vitali was stopped due to a serious injury that he may have been able to continue with, but he didn't. The way boxing works, he lost the fight; no argument there. Still, I will not hold Byrd's win over Vitali as a very high one, as that had nothing to do with Byrd and everything to do with luck.

Now, Vitali's win against Peter was a decent one considering what Peter had done recently. From Wlad to Vitali, Peter looked less impressive than before but still decently impressive. I don't credit that as a great win, but at the very least a decent one.

Enter Corrie Sanders. Sanders was a very dangerous fighter when he came prepared. He had very fast hands, great power, and threw quite sneaky punches. His resume was extremely thin, but he was a very dangerous opponent on ability. Not an extraordinary win, but I'll give credit where credit is due.

People underestimate Chris Arreola's ability. He's not the best fighter in the division, but he packs good power, decent speed, and an excellent chin. I'll give Vitali credit on this one as one his best wins considering how he completely shut down any and all of Chris' offense and dominated him from start to finish. As much as he is a fatty and for the most part undisciplined, he has heart and is very determined. Most of Vitali's opponents just get discouraged and stop trying to win. Any boxer knows that a sloppy determined opponent is even more dangerous than a questionable skilled one.

I don't want to get into the debate of the Lewis vs. Klitschko fight debate, but Lewis was not shot. He was heavy and under-prepared, but not shot. No shot fighter could ever fight like Lennox did in that sixth round. Lennox won that fight on a freak cut accident, but not quite the way Byrd won. That was the kind of fight that you have to raise the stock of both the loser and the winner. Lennox showed his ability and determination by taking a losing fight and turning things around for him. With those last two rounds, Lennox saved himself from absolute embarrassment. Vitali showed, however, that he was no pushover either. In taking Lennox' best and returning with arguably even more, VK proved that he was a top notch fighter. In that fight, he evolved from heavyweight hopeful to heavyweight star.

In reality, lots of heavyweight champions of the past have had fairly weak resumes. Lennox never fought anyone of that much prowess with the exception of and old Mike Tyson. In fact, Lewis' resume looks quite similar in quality to Vitali's. The same goes with Tyson. The only things about Tyson's resume that make it any better than Lewis' and Vitali's (in my opinion) are his win over Larry Holmes (comparable to Lennox' win of Tyson) and his win over Michael Spinx. Given that Lennox was undisputed heavyweight champion for most of his reign whereas Vitali was not, I would rank Mike Tyson first, Lennox Lewis fairly close behind, and Vitali Klitschko behind Lewis by only a hair. In my opinion, none of these three should be ranked in P4P top ten or even top ten heavyweights; maybe in H2H but not in overall greatness.

 

Shitty troll is shitty

 

Nice rebuttal:good

 

Unfortunately I also feel that it will be next to impossible for Wlad to unify the belts after Vitaly retires for the reasons you presented.

 

great post:good this sums it up

 

Probably an alt coming in with the same old **** he has had pounded up his ass before. ESB really ought to consider having a time/post limit before a newb can start a thread.

 

No it doesn't sum it up, not quite. Because Lewis's resume doesn't compare to Vitali's no matter how you dissect it.

First let's start with the Ruddock win, Lewis was expected to loose that fight as Ruddock had gone toe to toe with Tyson. He lost mind you but not by much. Instead Lewis blew him out of the ring. No way Vitali did anything remotely this impressive.

Secondly, Lewis annilated Golota, again, it was suppose to be at least a tough fight, but it wasn't. Same with Grant, same with Tua

The Tua win, most likely resembles most of Vitali's wins in that he doesn't really blow anyone out of the ring alongs the lines of a Tyson or a Lewis he just grinds out a win.

That said, Vitali's best performance was against Lewis, of that there's no doubt, and it's was a hell of a fight. Lewis won, perhaps partly on luck, but Vitali salvaged his reputation as a quiter, earned against Byrd, (probably wrongly, my guess is he didn't understand the ramifications) and solidified his place on top of the WBC.

So to me, Vitali best fight was his loss to Lewis but it was a tough, tough fight for Lewis and the fight could have gone either way.

As for being overrated, I guess it depends how you rate him, he's likely a fighter that's going to get a higher H2H rating than a rating based on accomplishments.

 

Vitali

 

Did Vitali not destroy Herbie Hide in 2 rounds when he was a 6 to 1 underdog?

2nd round KO when you're a 6 to 1 dog is impressive. Deal with it.

 

^This, its easy to see who this guy is, I don't know what is expected to be gained from pounding this **** over and over. I say we schedule a sparring session for him and Vitali so he STFU already.

 

You can do the same with all of Lewis' wins or anybody else's for that matter.

vs Tua: We've learned just how limited Tua is, haven't we. This is a guy that's been riding a ko of johnny ruiz () for the decade.

etc.

Don't start me on Ruddock, Tommy Morrison and the like or 37 year old Holyfield and shot Tyson...

 

If he gets put in the top 10 , he will be the most overrated HW ever. Until then, I'm gonna assume most people are smart enough to see him for what he is.

 

Let's see if I have this straight. I'm wasting my time arguing boxing with a guy who doesn't know the difference between Razor Ruddock, the guy who went toe to toe with a prime Tyson and Herbie ****ing Hide..

I can't believe it..how old are you..16-17, my god you're a fool, and anyone whose followed boxing now knows it..

Deal with that.

This is prime Tyson's comments on Ruddock

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Tyson-Ruddock happened on March 18, 1991. The fight received much attention and at the time was one of the biggest pay-per-view fights to date. The fight was brutal with Tyson scoring a knockdown in round 2 and then knocking Ruddock down toward the end of round 3. The fight went back and forth with Ruddock showing incredible heart and determination. Ruddock had his big moment in round 6 after connecting with some big shots and an uppercut that stunned Tyson before the bell sounded. Tyson started Round 7 charging at Ruddock and after catching him with numerous big shots. Referee Richard Steele controversially stopped the fight even though it appeared Ruddock, although staggering, was healthy enough to continue. The premature stoppage caused tempers to boil over with people angry at the decision. Fighting broke out between both camps in the ring. Steele had to be escorted out of the ring after the angry protests. The only people who seemed calm through it all were the two fighters who both praised each other after the fight with Tyson saying "He punches like a ****ing mule kick", stating it was the hardest he'd ever been hit, something he still says to this day.


Tyson vs Ruddock II

After such a controversial first meeting, a rematch was called for. The second Tyson-Ruddock fight took place on June 28, 1991.
The rematch went the distance, a full 12 rounds. Tyson knocked Ruddock down twice during the bout, and won by unanimous decision. The severity of the struggle was evident on both fighters after the fight: Ruddock had a broken jaw and Tyson suffered a perforated eardrum. Sports Illustrated reported that Ruddock's jaw may have been broken as early as the fourth round.[3] Tyson was magnanimous after his triumph, praising Ruddock as a great heavyweight: 'Man this guy is tough, he'll be champion of the world one day if he stays dedicated and doesn't slip up'.