VOTE!! Bernard Hopkins or Juan Manuel Marquez??

Voted for JMM. BHop beat Wright at LHW, 3 weight divisions away from his best weight. Its pretty close though but surely if anyones age is gonna catch up soon it would be BHop first who is the much older fighter.

 

BHop beat Winky who was 3 weight divisions above his natural weight...but why does noone mention that Bernard himself was 2 weight divisions above his????

 

Marquez by a mile. I love how Bernard beats a fat, unmotivated Tarver and a fat Winky and all of a sudden his two losses to Taylor are forgiven.

 

i have trouble judging people at different weights especially that kind of difference

 

Hopkins could have made 154 during his middleweight reign as well. I doubt Winky could have made 147. But Hopkins has the more naturally gifted "frame" if you want to call it. He is able to move up in weight and not lose much, in fact gain some. Winky has no business above 160.

 

i found it close and when they went into the fight it wasnt like they were only a weight division apart because hopkins had moved up in weight properly wheras winky came in like all he did was eat 15 pounds of doughnuts to make the weight

 

Right now JMM but prime not even close hopkins by a mile.

 

Oh come on man, I love how you ignore the part of my post that pointed out he lost twice to Taylor and was chased out of HIS division, and attack the subjective part.

 

After he lost to Taylor his fans were saying how he was washed up and should retire. He leaves middleweight. Comes back and beats Tarver. Now those same fans are saying hes top P4P again?????? What happened, is it not the same guy? You should be bashing Tarver for losing to a guy who was washed up and on his way out, not redefining Hopkins.

 

Ok, here's a new post then guy.

Hopkins lost to Taylor......twice! Whether you scored it for him or not, thats what happened. Hopkins couldn't do enough to clearly win and he had two tries....why? Pavlik destroyed Taylor :deal And if Taylor fought Hopkins again this year, the same thing would happen. :good

 

He said LONG before the first Taylor fight that with his age he was unable to really make MW comfortably anymore and that he was moving up. Only stayed one more because he lost (VERY arguably BTW) to Taylor the first time.

He wasnt chased out of anything. Post facts please and leave your bias out of it.

On top of that, if Winky was 2 weight classes above his natural weight, then what was Bernard? Remember, Hopkins was a natural MW...call me crazy, but I dont think LHW is his prime weight as well.

As for the Tarver thing. Tarver was the recognized LHW champ....the man at his weight. Regardless of how he came into the fight, he was what he was. Taking it on hindsight is all well and good, but do you realize how many great wins you would have to take away from great fighters if you do it that way? Hearns was never "great" above WW....yet Hagler beat him and its a great win...Calzaghe beat an old, past it Eubank....but it was still a great win. Hindsight is all well and good, but is blind when assessing the greatness of a win.

On top of that, Hopkins spent his entire career (please dont bring up that he fought a few times at the beginning of his career at LHW...he went to MW, because as he has said, LHW was all wrong for him at the time...) at MW...jumped 2 weight classes...was 40+ years old...and DOMINATED the universally recognized "MAN" at that division. If that aint a great win...we need to re-evaluate what we consider great.

Your posts on this are ripe with inaccuracies, are based on bias opinion rather than facts and show a clear agenda. Do some homework bro...your normally a much better poster than that (a poster I actually consider one of the better ones on here actually).

:good

 

AND MY GOD!!!!

That avatar is hilarious.