Wach tested positive for anabolic steroids after the Klitschko fight

Mr. Magic... what is your agenda here? You are trying to convince everyone that Wlad is using PED's, simply because he is in great shape and has a great physique... as if these aren't attainable things without the use of PEDs. Wlad has been tested for YEARS, through the AMS, Olympics, all of his professional fights in different countries under different boxing commisions, ect... and has never ONCE tested positive for Steroids. Beyond that, Wlad... after his loss against Brewster... had MORE samples taken and had them HEAVILY tested in order to see if they could find ANY drugs in his system. Experts went through his blood samples and PEDS were completely ruled out.

I will ask you. If Wlad was really on PED's... why on EARTH would he volunteer EXTRA blood/Urine samples to be extensively tested by experts in order to find absolutely anything abnormal? PED usage would have been immediately determined with that sort of rigorous testing.

 

I'm impressed by this post. It took you two entire sentences before you turned your reply into a slight against Wlad. You must be getting soft.

 

I suspect he is using them, yes.. but that doesn't change my opinion on him.

I know for a fact most of the top level boxers in Germany get supplied by doctors who help them sweep both blood and urine tests. Sebastian Sylvester is a recent example of a known user who suffered from your typical "burn out" like Vitali had going into the Rahman fight.


My agenda is this, we know PED is rampant in our sport, what we shouldn't do is lynch our boxers, really.. we should opt for a level playing field, there are many ways of coming out with a negative test result. The difference is, some people have the money and connections to use certain drugs, whereas others just doesn't have the financial backing.

 

Man, HGH and masking agents are NOT that expensive. You don't have to be some millionaire to attain these things. You are just being silly. It's hilarious to me that you "suspect" Wlad is on PED's with absolutely NOTHING to back up your claims other than the fact that he is in great shape. Wlad doesn't strike you as different than these other guys? He stays in great shape and works out all year 'round. He doesn't need PED's as a shortcut to whip himself into great shape, because he works hard and STAYS in great shape. Some people also just have better genetics. I can hardly work out for only about a month and my body gets into really great shape just from years of wrestling and working out hard. It doesn't take much at all for me to see serious gains, or physical results. If I were to do nothing but train for months, I can only imagine what I would look like. I have never taken a drug in my life.

It seems to me that you are simply slinging negative stuff on Wlad to discredit him. You don't seem like you have a real grasp on this topic. Wlad working out all year long, staying in great shape for decades, for his entire life... doesn't show ANYTHING in the way of PED's and doesn't in any way point toward PED use. You suspect him, because you don't want to give him credit for what he has done.

 

HGH is not cheap for the average guy. It's actually quite expensive if you're going to run an effective dose for a long period of time. For guys making that kind of money though, it's like buying protein supplements....no dent in the wallet. It's great for healing injuries, and to a lesser extent, preventing them. I'd suspect a great deal of boxers use it, as well as other athletes. Wlad? Who knows. None of us do. The eye test doesn't mean much with him. He is not a massive guy. He's a muscular, yet athletic, conditioned athlete and always has been. Making an assumption he has would be as foolish as denying the possibility he has. We just don't know, even though beating the tests is rather simple. Especially if you know the date. Random tests are more difficult and require actual knowledge of pharmacology. Hence why the guys with less resources at their disposal, or are just flat out dumb get caught.

 

What is expensive is having the right doctors who can have you cycle off these kinds of supplements and test negative time and time again, thats what's expensive.

 

You don't need a doctor. Anyone with average intelligence could research and learn all they need to know. Of course, a paid adviser who is an "expert" doesn't hurt. I think people would be amazed if they knew the true percentages of elite athletes using. Other countries have differing moral viewpoints on PEDs. In some instances, using is keeping competetive for an athlete. Some use for the obvious edge. Some for ego. In some countries it is part of sporting culture. Where it is frowned upon, even guys with great character can choose that path. Money and the chance to keep making more can be a great motivator to step outside your perceived morals.

 

wlad puts on what 7-10lbs in 3 months every time he fights??

no offence but this is quite easy due to the fact hes been doing it for years (muscle memory) if wlad was a p.e.d user he would be past it..p.e.d use does not help longivity..

everyone is innocent untill proven guilty and he has never failed a test as an am and a pro..did wlad have these expensive doctors when he was a teenager aswell??lol ****ing fools

 

Wach was tested positiv, not Wlad!!!!

Wlad was tested in 2004 for more than 100 banned substances, the Athletci commission of Nevade found

Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

And?

Marion Jones and Tim Montgomery took over 200 drug tests (tests which are far more rigorous and effective than the ones boxers take) whilst juiced up to the eyeballs and they never failed a single one.

Wlad and Vitali were both brought up on the old Soviet style regime and will have been given steroids from a young age.

 

and yet another one who goes on the peado untill proven innocent list...

 

Call me naive but until a boxer fails a drug test I'll assume their clean. Even when failed I'll only hold that failed fight against them.

innocent until proven guilty is the only way to be in modern society.

every so often a guy fails and is then cleared. I'm unsure what to make of that like with salido and berto.

 

Amazing that they could grow so tall despite being on steroids for their entire puberty.

 

wlad still worked this bum

 

Doping was state policy in East Germany, right up until reunification. Underage kids were often given stuff with or without consent. This is fact. The reality is that even if the official doping program ended in the early 90's, a culture like that doesn't change overnight. Old bloc/soviet/communist countries have/had very differing viewpoints on PED use than North America or other countries. A system and culture such as that doesn't just dissolve into nothingness. Did/do the Klits use? Possible? Yes, and with decent probability. Proveable? Not without a failed test.