i have to say that khan may actually be the worst. barring what roy jones has become (that's NOT the real roy), i've never seen a fighter whose is hurt easier than khan. it's not just prescott the knockout: it's being stunned by a ****ing jab. even soft chinned cats like floyd patterson, norris, etc. showed they were capable of wars if they had to
Yawn. I debate things. The fact that I can express myself and write cogent paragraphs shouldn't worry you so much. What is pointless? Having lifetime bets with other posters that you have no intention of honouring?
Im all for a bit of glass jaw humour here and there. I just don't like it when its all someone talks about and they forget to appreciate skills that are blatent to see.
So why obsess over it? You post as if it is the be all and end all in a fighter. And Patterson was a lesser extent than Lewis?:roll: Lewis was KOd once, and TKOd once when up by the 6 count. He avenged both losses and took clean hard shots from the likes of Mercer, Vitali, Bruno etc and went nowhere. Patterson had a far more vunerable chin than Lewis. The point is that if somone is rocked or dropped before fighting the elite, you write them off. You bang on about how long you've followed the sport and yet cannot seem to see that a guy being hurt and shaken by a fighter does not mean he is doomed to be a nothing. If Clay vs Cooper had happened now, you would be shouting on here about Clay being a glass jawed hype job who would be KOd brutally the moment he stepped up to fight a top tier Heavy. You would have predicted that Liston would murder him and after the first fight you would be predicting that it was a matter of time before Clay/Ali got exposed for the china chin that he really was. And you know that is exactly what you would have done and yet you still seem incapable of therefore seeing the woeful myopia of such a view.
Patterson achieved to a lesser degree, despite his glass jaw. Although, unlike Lewis, he actually WAS able to get up from knockdowns and continue. He himself said something to the effect of "I went down a lot, but I always got up." Sure, MAYBE a fighter can overcome a glass jaw, but odds are he won't. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that a fighter may have a suspect chin, and when it becomes clear his chin is china, noting this also. It is the service that I and my fellow Chincheckers provide to this site - free of charge, I might add!!!:hey And yes, you are absolutely right I would have pointed out Ali's suspect chin after the Cooper fight. And I would have been wrong. It happens. Unlike you apparently, I don't give two shits if I'm wrong, although I do get a charge out of being right. And I'd rather risk being wrong a thousand times to get that feeling. You don't know HOW pumped I was when Fraudley got starched by Sprott. I was the first on this site to point out his suspect chin. To be proven right felt wonderful. Unfortunately, now all the fanboys have conveniently forgetten. Well, when he gets starched by Haye, I'll be there to remind them - you can COUNT on it!!! And I'll enjoy every minute of it!!!!
But that's not being right. If you predict someone will lose 15 times in a row and you're wrong and then they lose on the 16th prediction, that is not even close to being "right" with your predictions. It means you were continually wrong because you focused on one aspect of the fighter. Oh and you were not even close to being the "first" person to say Harrisons chin was shaky. People called it on the Brit forum after the Ellis fight which you didn't even see, because it wasn't shown in the US. And when he gets starched by Haye...so what? Haye is a banger. You also said Haye would be starched by the first heavyweight he fought. It just shows a ludicrous obsession over one aspect of a fighter and it is odd given that you have followed the sport for so long.
Well, I think that's some revisionist history here. I seem to recall quite a few of your countryman disputing that Harrison's chin was china. ****, some STILL DO. And, I was one of only two people on this site to predict that Sprott would take him out. I know that for a fact. The one interesting thing about Haye-Harrison is that both have suspect chins, and therefore despite the disparity in performance/achievement, either could win. This said, Fraudley's chin makes Haye's look like George Chuvalo, so I don't think it will suprise you that I'm picking Haye to win early! And listen, despite our differences, I appreciate your willingness to discuss the issue in depth!:good
In depth? You're a broken ****ing record. Seriously Zakman, 3-5 years ago you used to be a fairly good poster as long as the subject wasn't on Lennox Lewis. Ever since, you've grown into an obsessed, repetitive troll. Don't even get me started on the embarrassing Zelenoff episode..
If Rico, 46, and myself were gone, new Chincheckers would rise to take our place. There will always be a need to inform the boxing public about the importance of punch resistance and there will always be fans called to this service!
hats off to the quality of posting in this thread arty zakman, 46, rico, and nohomejerome have devoted they're precious time educating forum members about the existence of glass jaws and it has been an absoloute priveledge to sit here and read this outstanding thread in its entirety
If it's so central, how come almost all those guys you listed had what I'd consider to be VERY successful careers, and made a lot of money, while holding belts. If it's so central, then why did they make it that far?