Walcott and Charles, a resume comparison

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    A few people seem to have their Walcott heads on at the moment, so I thought that it might be a good time to compare his resume to that of Ezzard Charles, through he end of year rankings.

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  2. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Charles comes out on top by the HW rankings and out of whole résumés
     
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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I have it close enough to be argued either way.

    What is perhaps telling is how few people they didn't beat between them!
     
  4. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Dec 6, 1947... Washington Evening Star, Burton Hawkin..."Jersey Joe Walcott, 34-year old journeyman heavyweight and ebony-hued father of six"

    June 22, 1948... Milwaukie Journal, R. G. Lynch..."For Walcott is strictly a second rater, a journeyman boxer working at a trade. He knows his trade well, but he has practiced is always for survival rather than for the greatest success..."

    Nov 30, 1947... Milwaukie Journal, R.G. Lynch... "(Walcott) a journeyman fighter who wants to stay in the business..."

    June 23, 1948... Plain Dealer, Gordon Cobbled*ck (love that name) "(Walcott) is only lately come to be recognized as a fair journeyman operator after 17 years of ring warfare."

    May 24, 1946 AP preview of Walcott Oma begins... "A couple of journeyman heavyweights who have lost the first flush of youth..."

    I could go on and on and on... It is the most common descriptor of Walcott. And continued to be such into the 1950's.
     
  5. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Writers and Reporters were also in competition too, so to speak.

    it was important for them to "get & have the Leads, or the skinny, to have it first, to add Your OWN Slant or Take - which equally wasn't always neutral, but rather in Flavour & Favour with the PAYING Advancing Top Rags!
     
  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    When he was broke, starving, mismanaged and working a day job, yes, he was a Journeyman

    When he started focusing on boxing? Nah
     
  7. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Also i rate Charles as the better champ but i rate Walcott higher H2H
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    And there we go. He was a journeyman.
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    So was everybody except the champion a journeyman back then?
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    He toiled a long, long time until the division softened enough for him to shine. Either that, or he miraculously gained new talent and skill well after a decade in the sport.
     
  11. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Once you win the championship you cease to be a journey man and are a champion...it’s really that simple.
     
  12. janitor

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    Isn't a more plausible explanation that he simply got a manager, and proper financial backing in the post war era?

    If he and Elmer Ray only shone in the post war era because the competition became softer, then you would have to conclude that the pre war era was one of the strongest, if not the strongest in the history of the sport!
     
  13. janitor

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    I would go further and say that you cease to be a journeyman if you beat somebody ranked in the top twenty!
     
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  14. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    You clearly weren't saying that he was a journeyman when he was starved, broke and unable to train properly.