Walcott Only Took The 2nd Marciano Fight For The $$$$

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Jersey Joe Walcott only went through with the second Marciano fight for the $250,000 guarantee that was in the original contract.
    Anyone have any thoughts on this?
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well I'd say money was and still is a massive reason why fighters are in the game, no surprise at all really.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    But the only reason?
     
  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I doubt it was the only reason, Walcott ran Marciano mighty close in the first fight and must have believed he had the beating of him.
     
  5. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Walcott also thought he got a short count, and claimed he only lost the first fight because Rocky headbutted him!
     
  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't call a hundred a short count... :lol:
     
  7. JWSoats

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    In the '60s I read a Ring Detective article in Ring Magazine which referred to a 'pathetic' heavyweight championship fight in which a former champion took the easy way out in the first round for a payday in his swan song. Although no names were mentioned, I deduced from the timing and the information given that the fight was Marciano-Walcott II. That was the first time I ever heard it suggested that Walcott deliberately took the ten-count then complained of a short count after getting up. The rematch of Marciano and Walcott was a highly-anticipated fight in light of their spectacular first fight. I believe Walcott got the lion's share of the purse in the rematch as well as their first fight. Film shows Marciano connecting with a short right and Jersey Joe goes down on his back with his legs going up in the air. I've heard that when fighters get knocked down from a hard punch sometimes their sense of time gets scrambled and seems to stretch out. Foreman made a similar claim in Zaire. So maybe the knockout was legit. What made it suspicious was how quickly this fight ended, unlike their first classic in which they pummeled each other into the thirteenth round.
     
  8. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The knockdown was definitely legit, you can see his legs stiffen up when he falls. Now if he had recovered in time and deliberately let himself be counted out you'd have to dig him up and ask him yourself.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly.

    Walcott's stoppage in the rematch looks like every other lame fight featuring an up-and-comer and a "usual suspect" where the usual suspect goes down when something solid lands and then jumps up at the bell ... and then complains that he barely missed beating the count.

    If they were two guys nobody had seen before, it would be an obvious flop. Walcott actually rolled backward. He didn't crash to the floor. He rolled like a tumbler going backward.

    Walcott made $250,000 for the rematch (he only made $188,000 as the champ in fight one). Marciano was paid $166,000 for the rematch (almost $100,000 less than his challenger).

    And the audience felt it was a fix, and was booing and chanting fix even while the walkout bout was in progress.

    You can argue Walcott took a seat because he didn't want to take a beating. You can argue Walcott took a seat because the mob didn't want Marciano to lose the rematch (since Rocky needed a knockout to win in the first fight) ... and they overpaid Walcott to make it worth his while.

    The fact that it took place in Chicago, where so many shady fights were taking place that Carmen Basilio hated going there to fight, because the mob had their hands in everything.

    But it's difficult to make a case that the second Marciano-Walcott fight was a legit knockout.
     
  10. mcvey

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    A Leibling who was at the fight, thought Walcott could have gotten up and that when he heard the tumultuous boos and cat calls ,he began to pantomime outrage protesting that he had gotten a short count. Sugar Ray Robinson said," Walcott not only let his people down ,he sat on them".
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I've no problem with the knockdown, my problem is Walcott's reaction to it later.
     
  12. salsanchezfan

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    I always thought the knockout in the second fight looked really fishy.
     
  13. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well he's the only person who would know for a fact, probably didn't fancy being finished off good and proper.
     
  14. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    Yeah, I don't think Walcott had any plans of going past the first round in that second fight. Being 37 and already had lived his dream of being champion. Going through another war probably didn't sound like a such great idea. Especially since he was already guaranteed the lions share.
     
  15. mcvey

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    The theory I subscribe to is that he caught decent clip went down and the thought of a replay of the first fight just melted his resolve and he quit.I'm probably alone on this but I never thought his body looked as good in the brief second fight either,he seemed to have aged overnight.:think