Walcott: the most skilled HW ever?

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  1. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    I'm going with Archie Moore.

    I sort of agree with the grain to the extent with Unforgiven and Seamus. You know, it's like at times skills can mean some visceral thing that doesn't quite translate in wins. But it has to do a little better than that. And I love Walcott....

    I think Moore, Charles, Patterson, and Tyson had better skills than Walcott.
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    He obviously let himself get hit too much against Layne, and Ray, and just about every fight he lost or won on close calls against more basic opponents.

    If skillful boxing means anything it means getting hit less than the other guy when the other guy isn't known to be highly skilled. Or I suppose it could mean you're losing rounds in a grand skillful ploy where you fool the opponent, take away his strength, figure him out and you come back to score the KO, something Walcott was NOT known for doing.
     
  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Walcott beat

    Joe Louis- First fight
    Ezzard Charles 2x
    Harold Johnson
    Jimmy Bivins
    Elmer Ray 2x
    Joey Maxim 2x
    Lee Q Murray
    Joe Baksi
    Tommy Gomez
    Hatchetman Sheppard
    Lee Oma
    Hein Ten Hoff
    Omelio Agramonte
    Willie Reddish
    Lorenzo Pack

    This list is filled with

    1. 5 Hall of Famers
    2. 12 different Top 10 Ring Magazine contenders
    3. Most of the Decades top big punchers
    4. Top Fighters in their primes coming off huge winning streaks
    5. Many different styles and sizes


    His win resume is incredible any way you look at it.
     
  4. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Don't know if I'd have Marciano as one of the greatest finishers of all time. Ain't entirely certain if I'd have that version of Louis as that either. Anyhow, it's more how he got caught agsint them. Just like he missed Charles with a wild swing and got tagged.

    For example, I don't hold it against Charles much him getting KO'd by Walcott, since it was so perfectly executed. But I feel a bit different about the way Walcott was caught by Marciano and Louis. I see what you're saying though. It wasn't exactly bums who beat him.
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    No one here is calling Walcott a "consistent" fighter. In fact, quite the contrary. but on his best night, he is capable of beating ANYONE.
     
  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Do you think Archie Moore and Floyd Patterson beat Walcott at his best?
     
  7. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Charles could outbox Larry Holmes.

    Believe that ****.
     
  8. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    On the other hand, who gets a pass here? Holmes perhaps. He didn't lose against any average opponent in his prime, but he did have some pretty close calls. The same can be said of Holyfield. But other than that...
     
  9. Shake

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    Joe Louis by some distance. There are far better judges and historians with a more extensive and complete view than mine, though. You'd do better to ask them. :)

    Archie Moore, Patterson.

    I also have some unhealthy fascination with Tim Witherspoon.
     
  10. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Let's take a peak

    A. He knocked out every single rated contender/champion he ever faced. No one in history has ever done that.

    B. He is 6-0 with 5 knockouts against Hall of Famers.

    C. 43 knockouts in 49 fights. 88% knockout percentage.

    Need I say more?

    Perhaps you should take a look at this

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUzJaokX_N8[/ame]
    Looks like he still has got "it" to me, even if he has declined a little bit. Still a better finisher than most in history. Checkout that combination he nails Mauriello with, just unreal.
     
  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, looking at stats, Foreman also look damn good. Marciano's workrate, constant aggression and power made for a great KO artist, but that doesn't necissarily speak for his ability to trap a fighter and quickly finish him. The same could be said of Frazier.



    Yeah, but this was a year or two before the rematch with Walcott, right? Without looking at Boxrec I recall that Louis didn't have many KO's after the one of Walcott.
     
  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well, these guys also got beat by several less than great fighters.
     
  13. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Yeah, if you think Holmes doesn't really impose his size that much on opponents, a technical battle might favour Charles.
     
  14. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    :good
     
  15. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I wish Baroudi hadn't died. It would be interesting to have seen a more killer instinct oriented Charles, packing an apparently legitimate knockout punch.