Walcott was underfed and nowhere near his best for the Abe Simon fight

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  1. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Contrary to the popular myth a poster has been spreading on this forum, Walcott simply did not get caught with a hook to the jaw. That is not what happened at all.

    I talked to Ted Spoon who gave me a source on the Walcott-Simon fight. Walcott took this fight on late sub notice. Walcott had not trained for this fight at all, and had hardly put a thing in his stomach in the past 48 hours. Still, on natural gifts alone walcott easily outboxed abe simon for the first 5 rounds.(Simon later called walcott the hardest puncher he ever fought). walcott won every one of the first 5 rounds. However, walcotts poor physical condition set in. by the 6th he had was reeling around the ring out of air, he had punched himself out, and had no stamina left due to lack of food and training and his hectic lifestyle. According to Ted Spoons source, walcott went down more from lack of exhuastion, than from simons punches....So simon did not suddenly catch walcott with a big hook out of nowhere like one poster here tried to imply. Simon was rated # 4 going into this match, which shows you just how good walcott was getting by on his natural god given gifts alone. Now I saw that Henry HSScup said he knew the referee for this fight, so if he has a difference source that would disagree on what happened, I would loved to hear. But this is what I have been told upon my research.

    Walcott once said "duriing this period, I went to bed starving every night for 5 years." Today, if Walcott fought under these circumstances he wouldnt even e granted a boxing liscense. Walcott had a faimly of 6 to feed...he had no time to train in the 30s, there was not enough food on the table for him to eat, and he developed bad case of typhoid fever during the 30s. Fact remains walcott was nowhere near his best during 1940 and did not reach his prime until he hooked up with bocchichio and trainer dan florio in 1945.


    Walcotts rough life in the 1930s was worst than most. the fact he went on to become heavyweight champion shows AMAZING reslience and persaverence. There should be a book on Jersey Joe.
     
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  2. PetethePrince

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    Good post Suzie. Walcott really lived a Cinderella kind of story like Braddock too. Forget the book. How bout a movie? I really love the scene when Walcott wins the heavy title. "It's a dream come true. And Walcott is by reporters getting emotional. Walcott's crying like a baby!" Camera zooms to Walcott teary eyed looking up. Classic scene... I'll get the script going for Hollywood. :lol:
     
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  3. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Who said that he was KO'ed by a left hook to the jaw?
     
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  4. Bummy Davis

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    Great Post Suzie....I knew you would get to the facts
     
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  5. SuzieQ49

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    Mendoza. He has been spreading this for years without providing a source. What did your friend, the referee have to say?
     
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  6. Bummy Davis

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    Quote:
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    He was stopped by 2 of the best punchers ever but also had them down and he took an lot of big shots before the 6 punch combo by Louis and the great right hand Bomb by Marciano...How many men went the full distance with Marciano or Louis and Walcott survived many other big punchers. His chin was good.

    HSSAPS QUOTE below
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    Walcott was stopped 6 times. A good friend of mine was the referee when he was stopped by Abe Simon.
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    Hey Henry....why didn't your friend the REF give you the facts
     
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  7. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    My friend who is no longer with us, as he was born in 1904, stated that Walcott just quit in the ring. The referee's name was Paul Cavaliere and when he died, I gave the Eulogy and rung the bell at his wake.
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    So Walcott quit vs Simon? If you ask me Walcott opted not to get up in the 2nd Marciano fight as well.
     
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  9. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Mendoza....Can we finally put a nail in the coffin that walcott DID NOT GET KNOCKED OUT BY A HOOK so stop saying it. Simons power had NOTHING TO DO with walcott getting stopped.
     
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  10. Bummy Davis

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    How do you know did you feel the uppercut...could be possible KO victims have memory look at Roy Jones but its hard to say unless you are the one getting hit.
     
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  11. Mendoza

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    Lets see a clear report on how it ended. Was it punches, or did Walcott quit?

    I think fighters quit when they get hurt. Simon must have landed something.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    Which match are we talking about?

    In the re-match between Marciano and Walcott, I think Walcott opted not to get up. He looks at the ref during the count, and comes to right after the stoppage. It looks like a quit job to me.
     
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  13. SuzieQ49

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    I already gave you a fight report from boxing historian ted spoon. Read the Opening thread. Ted Spoon is a reliable source.

    Looks like you are grasping at straws doing anything you can to bring walcott down. Will you admit walcott was nowhere near his prime by 1940?
     
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  14. TheGreatA

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    Walcott did not quit against Marciano. He immediately protested the stoppage, claiming he had been given a short count. Watching it on film, the count was actually pretty fast.

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  15. Mendoza

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    Ok.

    Ted Spoon says Walcott gassed out.

    Didn't Hascup say Walcott quit in the Simon match? If Walcott quit will you apply the same standard on him as other fighters?

    Or was the finish due to punches?

    I think we need a detailed report to get to the bottom of this.

    As for Walcott, I call them like I see them. I do think he was robbed in the first match with Joe Louis. I also think he quit in the re-match with Marciano. I also think Walcott's victory over Johnson was suspect as the NY Times reports Johnson collapsed without being hit. And I also think Walcott landed a perfect hook to KO Charles.

    It is hard to tell where Walcott's prime is because he lost or had quite a few mediocre results both early, mid way through, and late in his career.
     
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