Walter McGowan

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  1. McGrain

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    Desperately, desperately unlucky against Chionoi the second (and probably the first) time, totally dominant over champion Salvatore Burruni, I think Walter is under-exposed and underated these days, he was a really class British fighter.

    Maybe great technically rather than a great technician he definitely had facets missing from his game, but his jab was beautiful when he used it properly and that right hand wasn't bad either. Plus, the way he made a one-two out of an jab and right-uppercut was really really cool. Cracking footwork if his positioning looked somewhat naive (inevitably - he spent a lot of time in there with top veterans, even when he stepped up to bantamweight he used bloody Medel to try to force himself into those rankings. The crazy *******. You can tell he was from Hamilton).

    Any thoughts on little Walter?
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Brilliant, but not infallible.

    Even behind his jab, Medel outsmarted him, but then he was a sneaky ****er and one of the most dangerous bantams of all time, and McGowan was not one to jab and step back, he looked to step into his man once he's got a rhythm going, which played right into Medels hands.

    Obviously bad skin was a horrible problem for the Scot. He had Chionoi down early first time, and really tried hard to get rid of him when it looked like it was turning against him again the second time, but he just couldn't continue in that state.

    Ace against Burruni who was fading, but who had looked utterly dominant against Kingpetch.

    McGowan's second fight with Rudkin has it all (including that right uppercut in one of the late rounds) A personal favourite. Considering that McGowan was as natural a fly as you'll see, his balls are massive. He didn't shirk the Bantams and whilst technical, he was no runner, he came to fight.

    Great era for the lower weights, quality fighter.
     
  3. McGrain

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    Yeah, the skin thing makes me really sad. If he was fighting nowadays they could do something about that. Even against Burruni, if that cut had errupted in the 9th instead of the 14th he would have been in trouble.

    Medel was a real puncher, so no shame in being stopped there, it wasn't even as if he was stopped clean. He looks dead after the first KD, looks like he's break-dancing the way his legs go when he tries to get up. Would have been stopped in one were it fought today.
     
  4. Flea Man

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    Agreed on the last point, and as aforementioned, he was a real tough little ****er.

    It was him falling into Medel's traps that show he wasn't one of those kinda' wizards though IMO. Still, he was well-equipped, and made up for lack of massive dig with accuracy and tenacity. He nearly got rid of Chionoi early doors in the first fight. I think that feat was only achieved anywhere near the Thai's best by a fellow Flyweight enigma, Salavarria (also not a noted puncher funnily enough)

    I do wonder how shockingly one sided a beating Borkhorsor would give McGowan though ;-)
     
  5. McGrain

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    Flea, have you seen the first Salvatore Burruni fight? I would love to see that.

    Agree that he wasn't a wizard, at all, he looks qutie naive at times, but I wonder what real seasoning would have done to him. Probably, he didn't have the physical durability for that sort of thing though.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    No I haven't and I don't recall ever seeing it listed either, thought it was a shame before myself.

    Where are we rating him in the pantheon of Scottish greats?
     
  7. McGrain

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    Today, he's number one. Tomorrow...you know.

    Would you consider him a valid choice for Boxrec's top 25 at the weight? I never thought about it before but he never made it, or even into the HM's.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    If he also had two wins over Chionoi he'd certainly rank higher. I'd like to put him there for sure but at fly, with the depth it has you'd have to settle with him being in the mix for one of those lower spots.

    There's enough there scalp wise, that, if coupled with ability and strength of era you could certainly justify it IMO.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Yeah, 25-30 I think is ok. He did prove himself superior to Chionoi I think, but if your body lets you down, what can you do? It's real result however they look on film.
     
  10. thistle1

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    about 5,6,7 depending on how and who you rate...

    http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/showthread.php?9008-Top-10-Scottish-Fighters

    and just for the record Scotland has about 4 or 5 dozen top flight fighters especially from the past.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Of course, but while I always put a lot of stock in performance regardless of result when assessing a fighters 'worth' or 'level of greatness' (yuck) but Chionoi made him bleed enough that he couldn't continue. That's within the rules, it was harsh on McGowan, but the Thai won.

    Kinda' like Lewis-Vitali, Vitali gave the best showing of his career, but got his face punched in. It happens.

    thistle1 nice post, agree with that ranking.

    Sorry to hijack but is Lynch the consensus no.1? I'd have him there, though I can understand Ken.
     
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    Just looked at that thread. :-( Wee Greg omitting Small Montana and Peter Kane from Lynch's notable wins :bart
     
  13. McGrain

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    I don't like the Lewis-Klitschko comparison (although i've made it before myself). That, after all, was really really close with Kiltschko probably edging the cards. Here, Walter was totally dominant whether boxing or slugging and won every round...but yeah bottom line speaks loudest.

    I'm happy with Lynch at #1. Comparing them purely on skill/talent/h2h is much more complicated but I think it's safe to say Lynch would do better against the wider field in his division than Ken would in his.
     
  14. Flea Man

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    I agree again, it is a pretty hackneyed comparison. My point is that neither man was 'cheated' by the decision rendered IMO, it was for 15 rounds and McGowan was in no shape to continue. Under the rules, he lost, and lost fairly IMO.

    Do I give him credit for the way he acquitted himself both times against a man around the top of the division for yonks? Absolutely, and obviously I like Chionoi, so I think they're two of the greatest performances ever :tong

    In all seriousness, McGowan loses little credit for losing those fights, regardless of me crediting him with two losses and the Thai with two, pretty fortunate, wins.
     
  15. McGrain

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