Ward: Bute needs to beat 1 or 2 A-level guys & come out of his hometown to get a shot

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Dec 26, 2011.


  1. drozzy

    drozzy AERE Full Member

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    According to Ward, 'earning a shot' means beating A level fighters. Ward hadn't done that before facing Kessler. End of.
     
  2. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    Dude stop it I'm embarrassed of you're stupidity and lack of shame. Seeing you writing about boxing it's like seeing a ******ed kid hurtfully banging his head into a concrete wall. It is painfully to watch.
    If stupidity would have hurt, you would be yelling in agony right now.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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  4. BeastsideBoxing

    BeastsideBoxing "The Thrill" Gavril Full Member

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    :good I'm glad you're learning something new.
    Now the point I've made didn't quite reach your thick skull.
    I was pointing out that Glen Johnson has fought great fighters like Tarver, Dawson, and Jones Jr. and actually beat one of the greats. So by that he has earned a certain status, like a quality stamp on his bold head that says this guy is at least decent enough to hang in there with the best, like he proved against Froch. And that's one of the reason he reached easier than others to a world championship title. What has Ward did to earn his easy way to the WBA title that Kessler was holding?
     
  5. The Akbar One

    The Akbar One Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    I wouldn't expect Ward to come off like that. The Glen Johnson that Bute got the decision over, seemed like a more serviceable Glen Johnson than the one that Froch decisioned. Johnson didn't gas like he did against Froch. In terms of Super Middleweights Bute is the one that Ward needs to fight. One could argue that Bute had an easier time with a better version of Sakio Bika, than Ward fought. If Ward fights his mandatory, Ward will be doing just what he criticizes Bute with doing. Dirrel hasn't even beaten a name opponent yet.
     
  6. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    I did dip****.

    It's 32%.

    Read the ****ing thread next time.

    Keith
     
  7. Jambon

    Jambon Active Member Full Member

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    What % in the US? Oh yeah, that's not in house fighting. Americains are well known for city based patriotism.
     
  8. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    1. Not all of Wards fights have been in the US. Cayman Islands are not int he US

    2. Bute has fought in 2 Canadian cities, quebec City and Montreal. Thus my comparison of San Jose. Context helps when you read.

    Again, your complete lack of understanding of the US and its culture belies your post.

    But this isn't the first time, we know facts aren't your strong point.....


    Keith
     
  9. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    No it's not. Various posts have illustrated that.

    Put Andre Ward in a fight against a Mexican fighter in San Antonio. It would be 80-20 percentage of fans for the Mexican fighter.


    Keith
     
  10. Jambon

    Jambon Active Member Full Member

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    Put him in against a romanian in San Antonio with american tv behind him how many fans does that give him?
     
  11. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Honestly keith, I think it has more to do with image than the regional examples you've been bringing up.

    Think of the 2001 middleweight tournament.

    The final matchup was between an American and a Puerto Rican, Bernard Hopkins vs. Felix Trinidad.

    Hopkins was the American fighter, the fight was aired on an American network, and it followed the terrorist attacks on the WTC and still, most people I knew who were casual fans watching the fight were rooting for Trinidad! And these weren't just Puerto Ricans either.

    I don't think Ward has quite the patriotic backing here in the US that many are guessing, and I doubt whether he will ever have that, honestly.
     
  12. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    About 50%.


    Keith
     
  13. natep

    natep Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bute consistently sells out Montreal and Quebec. Ward does ticket sales in Oakland, but outside of that he is just another fighter getting his meal ticket through a promoter who isn't doing the best job selling Ward outside of his hometown.
     
  14. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The cities in which Bute fought before :

    - Montreal, QC
    - Quebec, QC
    - Atlantic City, NJ
    - Boynton Beach, FL
    - Boston, Mass.
    - Galati, Romania
    - Bucharest, Romania

    Only one offer not initiated by HBO was offered for Bute to fight on the road since he became champ. The only offer was from Hennessy, formerly with Froch. He only fights home because it pays there, compared to fighting in front of just a few thousand, like most do in the US.
     
  15. keith

    keith ESB OG Full Member

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    Image, fighting style, personality all has a big part to do with it in the US for sure.

    It seems that if you are a fighter for a foreign country, you get support from 90% of your homecountries fan just because. The typical fan in Romania could love pressure fighting brawlers, but if Pernell Whitaker comes along, and was Romanian, they would be all on his jock.

    Here in the US, that will work for a city, but that's about it. IF you like pressure fighters and you are from Philly, then Pernell Whitaker isn't going to be on your list of fighters to root for. JC Chavez would be and you would be more likely to root for Chavez than Whitaker ina fighter.

    But geography does play a part.


    Keith