Bute took the first Andrade fight while his preparation had been cut short by an injury; it's been discussed here before. He annihilated him in the rematch. I'm not discrediting Ward; i just want to stop overhyping him or make him Hopkins' or Calzaghe's equal when he's clearly not.
No, absolutely not. Boxing fans in general have gone from pure fans, to fan-boys in the last few years. i.e., fans of a certain fighter instead of the sport itself. So of course when their hero loses, they just can't help themselves from churning out the excuses.
He's 27 years old, hasn't lost a fight since was 12 years old and is the number one super middleweight in the world. He just dominated the guy with the best record in the division in the biggest fight of his career so far - of course people are going to be hyping him. I don't see anyone going massively overboard, just giving a good fighter his dues. Also, you dismiss a Calzaghe comparison, but Ward has achieved far more than Calzaghe had by the time he was Ward's age - so I don't see why you think this is so outlandish.
:deal You see far more hype on this forum for fighters who've done far less in their careers than Ward. People are bitter about this one. Ward isn't well liked, that's all that's going on.
It was a 15 round fight then Ward would have trained accordingly and the result of the been the same. Simple.
To be fair, the guy just won a fight against, arguably, the 2nd best guy in the division by a country mile. Any hype going around, Ward has pretty much justified on Saturday night.
You hear this all the time, and it's such a stupid argument. You can't just pretend to add 3 rounds and then speculate an outcome from what happened the first 12 rounds. It doesn't work that way. If it was a 15 round fight, the first 12 rounds would more than likely played out a different way. Think about it this way, saying "if it was 15rds" is just as stupid as saying "Froch is lucky it was a 12rd fight against Taylor, if it was 10 he would have lost". It's the same thing, and just as ****ing stupid.
And what if they went until someone got stopped like in the olden days?? These "what ifs" are ridiculous
that's a bit harsh. I think 15 round fights would suit Froch more than Ward as 90% of his game relies on heart and determination. I cant understand why people are getting so uptight about an imaginary situation that doesn;t even apply to real life, it's just a hypothetical that doesn't even matter
Froch was "coming on strong" the last few rounds because he was desperate. In a 15 round fight, Ward would have likely won the first 12, and Froch would start "coming on strong" the last three rounds - and still lose two out of three of them, like he did in this fight. Then someone would make a thread saying, "Ward is lucky to fight 15 rounds and not unlimited rounds like in the early 20th century".
Bull****. Athletic and Ward don't belong in the same sentence. Ward doesn't beat guys with athletic ability. He beats them with sound technical skills and a high ring IQ. You saying that he beats guys with athletic ability proves you don't have a clue as to what you're watching. Ward is one of the most complete fighters in the game that can fight at all ranges with solid defense.
True. He's actually only marginally athletic (by boxing standards). Early in his career, he attempted to emulate Roy Jones, realized that it's A LOT harder than it looks if you're not physically gifted, and decided to switch more to a Hopkins style, which relies more on technique than athleticism. When I think of an "athletic" supermiddle, I think more of Andre Dirrell.