Ward: It's easy for Calzaghe to say he can beat me from the comfort of his couch!

The point is that would have NEVER happened to Ward. Ward's defense is too good to let a shot like that through. Calzaghe, for that supposedly "great chin" he has, got put on his ass by the washed up version of Roy Jones. He got put on his ass by a 43 year old BHop. He was a top fighter for his weight class but his "0" is a complete fraud that is based on cherry picking fighters.

 

Andre Ward. One word - Boone.:rofl:roflatsch

 

You can't say "it would never happen to Ward" because you cant prove that. You can say "it's not likely to happen to Ward because his defense is too good" because that's an opinion and a fairly safe assumption but to say it would never happen is unprovable and Ward is not immune from being knocked on his ass. Ward was knocked down by Darnell Boone for pity sake!

And, again, your acting as if Calzaghe didn't dominate Jones for the rest of that fight, your acting as if it was a competitive, close fought contest and not the one-sided beating it was in reality. The knock down in the first round means nothing. Calzaghe was caught by a lucky shot he didn't see coming. If the fight had ended there then that shot would mean something, but it didn't and Calzaghe recovered to dominate the rest of the fight.

As for Hopkins, again Calzaghe was knocked down but he got back up, fought back and won. It was a close fight because Hopkins was still elite level at the time but Calzaghe's recovery power, stamina and workrate saw him through. Ironically, the early knock down worked against Hopkins because he sat on it for the rest of the fight and allowed Calzaghe to set the pace and wrack up the points.

Calzaghe had a good chin, not a great one, but made up for it by being able to quickly recover from damage he suffered. He was not a Eubank who could stand up to round upon round of savage beating and keep going, he was the kind that avoided the worst of the damage by using his reflexes to dodge and rely on his ability to recover.

His "0" isn't a complete fraud because he beat several well ranked at the time fighters. Eubank was the first significant name he fought and was 2/3years out of his prime but would go on to have close competitive fights with a hard-punching world champ from two division's higher, Ried and Woodhall were both recent former Super Middleweight Champs and in the top ten for the division, Mitchell was another former Super Middleweight Champ and was fresh off of being robbed against Ottke, Sheika came into the fight off the back of beating Glen Johnson, Lacy was a reigning Super Middleweight Champ and touted to be the next dominant force in the division, Kessler was Calzaghe's rival for the title of Super Middleweight King and held two Super Middleweight Titles heading into the fight, and Hopkins was widely regarded as the best Light Heavyweight in the world and is now regarded as one of the greatest in that division's history.

All of those were legitimate threats to Calzaghe when he fought them. Now, it's undeniable that Calzaghe's resume is full of a lot of substandard name, but he fought too many legitimate threats for anyone to claim that his "0" is a fraud. He could have challenged himself more - I'm not denying that - but its not as if he never took any risks or that he never fought anyone who could have beaten him.

 

Listen guys, Ward would have beat Calzaghe so had,act would have had a shot against joe if he got him after ward was through with him.

 

Am I the only person who doesn't understand this? Something lost in translation.

 

Take the bait...are you an idiot? 147 lber vs. 168 lber? you guys want Floyd to lose that much?

 

M,

Roy was absolutely dominated for 9 rounds by Glen Johnson, and was then knocked cold for minutes.

That was in Sept 2004, more than FOUR YEARS BEFORE the fight with Joe.

 

Slappy ud

 

Fair enough. I forgot about Johnson. Still my point about Calzaghe getting up from the knock down to dominate Jones being more important than him getting knocked down in the first place remains valid.

 

Calzaghe should comeback and take the Ward payday, even if he loses people will say its because hes old so he cant really lose

 

Browsing through this thread I think I can see what the problem is.
Many American fans havent forgiven Calzaghe for beating their American legends in Hopkins and Jones as well as all of their best SMWs that were willing to fight him in Mitchell, Brewer, Manfredo, Sheika, Lacy who were also all top 10 fighters when Calzaghe brushed them aside.

a) It must be difficult that years after Calzaghe retires, Hopkins is still winning world titles making Calzaghes win look better.

b) It must be difficult when trying to compare Wards resume, only to find Wards best win is an unwell, rusty, double vision suffering fighter that Calzaghe beat when prime and undefeated

c) It must be difficult that Dawsons best win is a 48 year old that Calzaghe beat years previously when on his best LHW form


Calzaghe left a massive void when he retired because he cleaned up and retired, leaving it, so that the best the SMW division was left with, was a fighter Calzaghe had already beaten. Ward has had to fights Calzaghes leftovers to make his own name and way in the division.
At LHW Hopkins is still near the top and Calzaghe beat him years ago leaving the division almost as empty as he left SMW.

It seems to bug many American fans that Wards resume doesnt even remotely compare to Calzaghe, but really bugs them more that when you consider the age Ward is now, how Calzaghe had far better wins and a better resume even in the same time line.

I think it also bugs that Calzaghe was a fantastic champ that didnt feel he needed to impress America yet still beat the top fighters of his era

 

Thank you. End of ****ing thread. Even Hopkins wants no part of Andre Ward. Bottom line, Calzaghe would have gotten KO'd.

 

Dude, Hopkins and Roy were well beyond their primes and had nothing left to prove. Anyone (including theor mothers) could have predicted a Calzaghe win. It why he took the fights and called it a career.

 

lol.

 

what the ****.... Dude Kessler gave him a hell of a fight, I can assure you there was no butt whooping there. Hopkins was out of his prime (by a landshot) and still sat Joe on his ass. and Lacy, seriously? Cmon man, you cannot compare Joe and Ward. Andre goes out of his way to fight anyone/anywhere. Joe was too scared to lose his '0'.