Ward needs to take a page out of Sergio's book and realise he's not a big draw

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  1. Super Hans

    Super Hans The Super One™ banned

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    So you think if Ward fought Froch at Wembley all the tickets sold and PPV buys would be to see Ward so he should get a bigger % of the earnings :patsch

    Although thats what Ward probably thinks and the reason behind this thread. Wjy would Eddie Hearn agree to that when Froch can make a lot more fighting Groves.

    Ward can't sell out his own living room- it's got nothing to do with who I'd think he'd beat, but if he wants those fights he needs to be willing to listen to other fighters demands.

    See, as an example Sergio Martinez offer to Miguel Cotto. Serg is under no illusion that Cotto is the fighter that brings the money so offers to accept less money and fight in Cotto's preferred location. Not hard to understand is it?
     
  2. Super Hans

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    Other than Ward, Froch is the biggest drawing Super Middleweight and the consensus number 2. He offered Ward the chance for a rematch in front of a packed Wembley stadium on PPV in the UK but Ward wasn't happy to accept less money than Froch would get even though Froch is the one bringing in the numbers.

    Mikkel Kessler has offered him a rematch in the past but "it has to be in Califonia" so Kessler wasn't interested.

    Ward also thinks he should be able to fight Chavez Jr for more money than Jr despite the fact Jr generates more money and it would have to take place in Oakland. So Chavez Jr wasn't interested.

    Ward is not avoided- if he made decent offers fighters would be queing up to fight him.
     
  3. Florez

    Florez Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Andre Ward at age 30, isn't active enough. He has only fought 27 fights
     
  4. Super Hans

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    Well part of his problem is not willing to negotiate with fighters who generate more money, and the guys that will accept his demands nobody has heard of so HBO aren't interested.
     
  5. jas

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    Edwin Rodriguez - a guy that's not even widely Known- got a million dollars to fight ward so how is that not a decent offer???
     
  6. Super Hans

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    Had to fight in California, come down from 175, Ward got twice as much.

    Ward was the money generating fighter there.

    Against Froch, Stevenson, Chavez Jr, Kovalev and Golovkin- he is not. For a big fight those guys need to be offered more.
     
  7. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    True.

    None of the guys need ward to make money. They have other big fights available against each other. Ward thinks he's the next Floyd but Floyd's opponents don't make 3 mil plus fighting other guys.
     
  8. nightmare nick

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    This is certainly the reality of things but it is a very backwards way to run a sport. Froch gets his clocked cleaned by Ward so the obvious next step would be for Ward to go into Froch's backyard and take less money for a rematch. This sport makes you slap your head.
     
  9. nightmare nick

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    That being said Ward is not nearly willing enough to travel. That does make him look bad
     
  10. SweetSciGuru

    SweetSciGuru Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL! Ward has already SCHOOLED froch, and Kessler, as well.
    If there was a rematch for Froch to redeem himself, and if it were in England, of course it is reasonable that Ward receive the larger split, especially if he agreed to put his title on the line.

    1. Froch needs the rematch much more than Ward. Ward has already beat him, easily.

    2. The fight is in England. A place with a reputation for terrible officiating and scoring. Froch could hit Ward with 100 rabbit punches in England, and not be penalized for fouling.
    Ward would certainly be aware of the risk of being victimized in England with their habit of poor adherence to he rules of the sport. Of course he wouldn't give up his fair share of the financials while being exposed to such risk.

    3. Ward is the universally acknowledged #2 P4P fighter in the world, while Froch is just a good boxer. True boxing fans would be looking at and appreciating Ward's skills, while UFC fans would be thrilled by Froch's, heart.

    Like I said; It's Froch who says he wants to avenge his loss to Ward, although I really don't believe he is as eager as he states.
    If Hearns doesn't agree to Ward's terms, then Froch is the one losing out on gaining the chance for redemption.
     
  11. Barrera

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    the only reason he is not a draw is because of his not so casual friendly style (which i think is a pretty entertaining style actually). he is p4p number 2. he wont ever become a mega draw like a pac or a mayweather but his skills will get him plenty of attention
     
  12. Super Hans

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    We are not talking about the results of fights or what the results would be. We are talking about what Ward needs to do to get those fights- you don't seem to understand that- whether Ward deserves to be the money generating fighter or not- the fact is he's not.

    "True boxing fans" as you call them, don't make the difference to PPV numbers- they get all of them- it's casual boxing fans you need to entice, Froch, Stevenson, Kovalev, Golovkin can do that- without Ward. Ward cannot with them. Martinez understands that, hence his offer to Cotto.

    Casual fans don't give a **** that Ward is a top pound for pound guy, like they don't watch Rigondeaux fights.

    You say Froch needs Ward more than Ward needs him- again we are talking as a business here, not about the results of fights past or future- that's where you are wrong.

    Froch is rematching Groves in a sold out 61,000 seater stadium that will set PPV records in the UK. Froch is earning 85% of the split.

    So being that Froch is 36, will be retiring soon and looking for big paydays, is he better off taking that, or coming to Oakland, fighting in front of 1,000 people, it not being on PPV in the UK due to the time, and accepting 20% of the split as Ward has suggested.

    Which of the two above do you think Froch is gonna earn more money from?

    And what options has Ward got at Super Middleweight otherwise who is a big name fighter that is willing to accept Ward's ridicolous demands.

    So who really needs who?

    Your lack of understanding of boxing as a business makes me think you are very young.
     
  13. Super Hans

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    He will get a little attention but won't attract big names due to his silly demands.

    Like I say Martinez realises this- why can't Ward?
     
  14. SweetSciGuru

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    You simply believe that Ward is motivated by earning money by any means necessary as YOU think he should.
    I beleive that Ward lives humbly and the few millions he has so far earned are well managed and he is not in any kind of Pac-like desperation for huge purses and high risk.
    I think that it's more important to Ward to become the best boxer that he can be.
    That Ward holds the WBA & WBC SMW titles, is rated #2 p4p in the world and 27-0, I think he is accomplishing his real goals and receiving his recognition as well.

    In a rematch, what belts does Froch bring to the table?
    NONE!
    All you can say is that people in England will come to see him fight, but you are not being honest with yourself. People in England would come to that fight because Froch would be meeting Andre Ward and you have to admit, because he would be facing Andre Ward there would be many more people attending than the Froch-Groves rematch. :yep
     
  15. Farmboxer

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    Ward is a legend within his own mind............

    Ward was the only boxer who did not have to travel in his tournament. Ward did travel to Atlantic City which is in America, but Froch had to travel over seas. Ward beat Kessler with his personal referee who allowed him to headbutt at will, hold, elbow, use low blows, finally Ward came all the way from across the ring with his head with a very illegal, intentional headbutt which cut Kessler badly, so Ward's personal referee stopped the fight and gave the fight to Ward because of the cut caused by the illegal headbutt..............Ward is a cheat.............Stevenson called Ward out live on HBO, said he would fight Ward at 175 or 168, but Ward refused to answer him. Ward is extremely conceited, he believes he is royalty and does not need to go by the rules...........Ward's referee believes that illegal headbutts are OK, as long as it is Ward doing the butting...........