His resume seems a bit overrated when you hear comparisons to GGG resume. His last 10 fights have been against top tier opponents but how much better than GGG´s? My intention is not to say his record is poor, he has a really good record, but it´s not that much better than GGG´s IMO. Edwin Rodriguez was 24-0 and good fighter in general but what where his attributes really, he was inexperienced contender. Chad Dawson was a champion at LHW but he was dehydrated for sure. That night he would have lost to every title holders at SMW. Carl Froch is a good win even though he had lost to Kessler and Dirrell already, and had his problems with Taylor and Pascal. In general Froch is beatable but good fighter. Arthur Abraham was really a MW who had no size to compete in SMW division. He is also quite one dimensional. His SMW records says it all.. Sakio Bika is good win. Still, does it rise any higher than GGG wins in the last two years? IMO, it doesn´t. Allan Green is just a contender to say the most. His best win is Tarvis Simms and has lost everytime he has fought A-level opponent (Kessler, Ward, Caparello, Johnson). Mikkel Kessler is a good win in theory, but in reality that win is difficult to count because of all the controversy - head butts and fouls. In neutral zone that would have been totally different fight. Plus Kessler wasn´t in his prime anymore. Shelby Pudwill - Do I have to even start? Lower level MW contender fighting in SMW.
Bika, Abraham, Green and Rodriguez are bums. Dawson was a zombie. Kessler is on Daniel Geale's level, both were 2 times champions in not very deep division. Froch is his only pretty good win. But some crazy people are mocking GGG and think that Ward has ****ing ATG resume, lol
As a fan, I respect every one of them - Most of them are title holders and some of them contenders. Bum would not get that far. A little respect!
Ward has fought and outclassed all the champions at 168, and the champ at LHW, who Asked to come to 168 to fight Ward. Who the f*ck else did he need to fight to have a great resume? Ridiculous.
Maybe, but now it was Andre Ward he lost to and nobody else. I agree Dawson was a bit drained, but his lack of mental strength may have been part of it. Lots of fighter loses because they are drained, injured, have a bad evening or whatever. It's still a loss. "Had problems" He won against them. Arthur Abraham is beatable for sure. But the version who showed up against Ward was the best version we saw of him at SMW, and he could box well in spurts. A good win, no more, no less. True. True. Very true. Those full body weight headbutts have never been seen in the sport before or after Andre Ward brought them out against Kessler :scaredas: Ward fought cleaner in the fallowing fights, but his tactics against Kessler were horrifing. And he has a silly name on top of it.
Yes I can Actually you can compare opponents several ways, for example stylistically, skill wise, resume etc. Ward has two wins that GGG misses - Froch and Kessler. Of course he might fill this void in the next 9 months (Cotto/Canelo, Froch, Murray, Chavez Jr). Edwin Rodriguez -- Stevens/Rosado/Proksa/Ishida Chad Dawson -- Geale/Macklin Carl Froch -- No comparison Arthur Abraham -- Geale/Macklin (IMO Abraham in 160 would have never find Geale) Sakio Bika -- Geale/Macklin (IMO Geale and Bika are very even skill wise) Allan Green -- Rubio/Proksa/Adama/Ishida/Simon Mikkel Kessler -- No comparison Shelby Pudwill -- Fuchigami
I said Ward has a very good resume, how come it´s ridiculous? Its a matter of opinion and to me Ward resume is not great nor I say GGG has a great resume or better resume than Ward, just that their resumes are not that far apart. IMO Mayweather, Pacman, Cotto, DLH and Lennox have great resumes.
Ward's opposition puts Golovkins' to shame. His win over Edison Miranda, before the Super Six, would probably be Golovkins' third best victory. He holds two wins that each on their own surpass many of Golovkins' combined.
With random drug testing, Froch would've KO'd him. Without the PED's, he wouldn't have had the strength to hold off Froch, the athleticism to get out of the way of his bombs, nor the stamina to keep up with him. :good
Ward held wins over all paper titilists at 168 until Bika lost his to Dirrell. Kessler, Abraham, Green, Froch, Bika and Rodriguez were/are top 10 super middleweights. :roll: How is his resume overrated?
I think it is a weak era at SMW at the moment. Consider that Wards best win is over a past best, unwell, double vision suffering, rusty fighter, who had already been beaten by the old end of career champ years previously. After that it would be a fatigued Froch in a close fight. Consider also that in this era Froch lost to that unwell fighter also. Consider also that Bika who when prime couldnt get to the top in the previous era, but in this one became a world champ. Look at how in the previous era Steiglitz was being blasted out by a fighter who prime Kessler toyed with. It just seems a very weak era and I dont think Ward would be top 3 if he had of been around 10 years ago or so. When have we seen Ward beat a top undefeated fighter? When have we seen Ward beat an undefeated world champ? When have we seen Ward win against a top prime fighter?
His resume is fine in terms of quality and only Froch has a comparable resume at super middle. What Ward lacks so far is dominance and length of reign. He is simply too inactive, he really has only been at the top for 3 years, as he hasn't had a meaningful fight for over 2 years. If he was to retire now he would not rank highly at all based upon what he has done so far. He has much more to do before people start talking about him being a truly great fighter and he needs to realise this and compromise when negotiating fights.
If GGG had given a chance to beat Martinez back when Martinez was a lineal champion, his resume would look much better. That said, it would not have been a step up for GGG in 2013 or 2014. Just that his resume would look much better at the moment. If we add Pavlik (2013) to his resume, he would look even better; certainly lineal champion and former lineal champion would count a lot. Resume wise, Martinez and Pavlik would be comparable to Kessler and Froch. But in reality it doesn´t make any difference to the outcome if GGG vs. Ward happens. That is why I posted this in the first place. Their resume isn´t that far apart and it won´t play big factor on the night if the fight happens.