Ward should have moved up to LHW sooner.

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    I asked you a question about Usyk , is he another weight bully? Why are you avoiding this question?
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    NO ... Holyfield, Tarver, Ali ... they all fought as small kids (like Ward), moved up division by division and (like Ward) ended their amateur careers in the Olympics in the light heavyweight division (like Ward).

    Same with guys like Patterson, Michael Spinks, Chris Byrd all ended their amateur careers winning middleweight (165 pound) medals in the Olympics and went up, not down.

    Because none of them were weight bullies.
     
  3. The Real Lance

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    Also if 3G moves in weight, he is REQUIRED to face the champ right away. Just like Ward and Canelo did... :lol:
     
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  4. dinovelvet

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    Complete and utter garbage. . Darnell Boone could drop anybody with a clean punch. Making 159 only proves how small Ward was at light heavy.
    If you can make weight you you can make weight. Thats what the scales are there for. And Ward was small enough to make 159 in his mid 20's.
     
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  5. Dubblechin

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    You can search all my posts on Usyk and find the answer to that.

    YES. Usyk turned pro AT HEAVYWEIGHT and moved down. Why did he move down (after fighting big heavyweights WSB)?

    Because those cruiserweight beltholders were a helluva lot easier to beat than Wlad Klitschko was, who was the heavyweight champ when he turned pro.

    Usyk certainly didn't move down because the money was better. His highest purse in the WBSS was $400,000 in the final against Gassiev.

    When Usyk rehydrated after the weigh ins, he weighed as much as Wilder did for most of his heavyweight fights. Hell, Wilder hasn't outweighed an opponent in NINE YEARS.

    Usyk, Wilder, Beterbiev all fought in the same division as amateurs ... as pros, one went up and stayed there (Wilder), one went up saw it was tough and moved to cruiser and now he's too old to dry out like he used to (Usyk) ... and one totally played *****, dropped down two divisions and still dries out to 175 (Beterbiev).
     
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  6. dinovelvet

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    You're not reading what is posted dummy.. Holy , Tarver , Ali never started at MW . Ward did because he was naturally smaller than those guys.

    Here's Ward next to Frampton. He's not a big guy. 168 was his natural weight class

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  7. Dubblechin

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    I know they didn't start at middleweight. THEY STARTED EVEN LIGHTER.

    They started boxing as kids. They fought in nearly every division UP TO LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT as amateurs. Tarver was 10 years old when he started boxing. Evander Holyfield was 13. Muhammad Ali was 12.

    You're the one who clearly doesn't know anything about amateur boxing if you think those guys started at light heavyweight. (LOL)

    https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/11/15/lens/15ali1/15ali1-superJumbo.jpg?quality=90&auto=webp

    I proved my point.

    Ward didn't move up to light heavyweight sooner as a pro because he was a weight bully. (That's the answer.)

    You are the one who didn't answer my question. If Andre Ward moved up to 178 as a FAVOR to Andre Dirrell, then why did he move up to a division where Anthony Dirrell competed?

    Why did he (as you say) do one brother a favor and SCREW OVER the other brother by moving up into his division?

    (You guys always leave that part out. LOL)

    Andre "I like to do favors" Ward.
     
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  8. dinovelvet

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    But Ward didn't? I couldn't really give a rats ass about these guys when they were children. As a grown man Ward fought as MW. At the same age those guys were at LHW.

    This issue is now terminated.

    The main point is Ward was small enough to make 159 when he turned pro. He cuit a few pounds like every other boxer in the sport.

    Every boxer would move up a weight or two if same day weigh-ins were brought back. . So according to you , everybody bar Wilder is a weight bully. . What you are is a clown. Simple as that
     
  9. Dubblechin

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    Answer my question now. Weren't you calling me a coward earlier? I see you deleted that.
     
  10. dinovelvet

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    CLEARLY Beterbiev is not the same size as them. Can you understand that guys can be very different in size despite campaigning in the same division?
    Can you understand that.. HELLO!!????
     
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  11. Dubblechin

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    Still didn't answer my question.
     
  12. Dubblechin

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    Oh, I understand height differences. You clearly have a difficult time spotting weight bullies, though. You seem to equate height with weight.

    Two guys fight at 200 pounds as amateurs. (Wilder and Beterbiev)

    In 2021, one is fighting a 270-pounder for a heavyweight championship.

    While the other is fighting 175-pounders for a light heavyweight championship.

    Which one is the weight bully?
     
  13. dinovelvet

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    I didn't answer because of the stupidity of the question , but since you are a moron ill give you an answer.
    Ward couldn't control who he fought in the Olympics. He could choose not to fight Antony in the pros.. You defeated. Simple as
     
  14. dinovelvet

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    So you think Wilder could make 175 at 36 years of age.. You are one stupid spud of a man!
     
  15. Dubblechin

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    LOL. You totally derailed your own argument. What you said makes zero sense.

    You said he moved up (in 2002 years before the Olympics) because his teammate Dirrell was fighting at 165. But the other Dirrell was fighting at 178. So why did he move up?

    If you BELIEVE Ward, he was helping one brother while screwing the other.

    Since you apparently don't realize this, every gym has fighters in the same weight division. You couldn't throw a ball in the Kronk gym in the 80s without hitting a dozen middleweights.

    None of them (Ward or the Dirrell brothers) had made the US Olympic team in 2002, when Ward moved up. Ward would've faced Anthony Dirrell in the U.S. Trials if Anthony hadn't lost the day before. If he'd stayed at 165, Ward would've faced Andre Dirrell.

    Moving up or staying put didn't matter. They all still had to fight to make the team. He wasn't doing anyone "favors." He moved up because he was a light heavyweight on fight day. And he had to weigh every day before a fight.

    LOL.

    You lose.
     
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