Ward should have moved up to LHW sooner.

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  1. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    After the Super Six instead of doing what everyone expected and fighting Bute he took a 9 month holiday and told Bute he needed to fight someone decent first like Froch which he did and then Ward was shocked Bute chose to fight Froch instead of him lol.

    He then spent most of the next couple of years involved in lawsuits with his promoter Goosen and talking about a fight with either Froch or GGG which of course never happened. He also had a few injury issues that along with his promotional issues saw him only fight twice in a 2 year period.

    He briefly dabbled with the idea of light heavy but instead drained Dawson down to 168lbs. Ward could of fought Dawson at 175lbs but Ward has always been pretty risk adverse and his own worst enemy when it came to his career. He could of left a far greater legacy had he wanted to but he never had the mentality to push himself, everything with him was over calculated to the point he would self sabotage himself.
     
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  2. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fight in US, become world wide star. Fight in Germany, become German star.
     
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  3. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    it floors me how people can't stand out of their own bubble and see this.
     
  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Exactly. It might not be fair to those from other countries, but it is what it is.
     
  5. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't gave a f***** about US boxing and ate this at first.

    For next your noise, I'm sure you might post that Ottke had fought nobody in forum and will not last 1 full round vs now old Ottke.

    Faced nobody, US is boxing grail et **** you might post till your death, I will laugh.


    You think everyone should dance under your, small trolls idols music and fight vs them in B side?

    They had been needed KOed to win these cash cows in US.
    Like vs Ottke in Germany, don't cry and yell: nothing had prevented these icons to travel to Germany and KO Ottke, looks that no one had enough skills or balls to face Ottke and KO him.

    Btw, do not yell about your **** : professional boxing, this stuff in Germany is not like in this fourm.
    Your idol Ward had talked about possible fight vs Beterbiev and this did not had happened.

    Don't cry, don't yell.

    Nothing had prevented your idols to be B side kids vs the same Ottke, LOL.

    Doesn't like?
    Normally, pro boxing is business, ate this.
     
  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Normal, pro boxing is business and these fighters usually even are already too old to be good ams.

    This is business and with these brands: idols : cash cows.
    Cash cow usually is installed in home country and he is so cool and great while hometown tested, officiated and judged.
    Nothing wrong, cow is tickets and ppvs seller.

    Not a better boxer, God help you.
    With normal officiating and testing aboard these cows not rare cases perform badly.
    It is what it is and pro boxing is just entertainment industry.
     
  7. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ottke was a cash cow in Germany. As was Darius back then and Wlad and Vit too. EVERY country has their cash cows who milk the system. Ottke...Sturm...
     
  8. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Forgot that Ward wasted a good chunk of his career with lawsuits. Thanks for reminding me.
     
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  9. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ottke was the King. Real King: fight vs me in Germany or no fight. ;):nonono.
    He also was so beautiful boxer, no one was able to stop him in pro fight. Beautiful boxer. :)
     
  10. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ward in US too.

    Actually " cash cow " means that exactly these cash cows are milked not otherwise.

    Each promotion, not exactly country needs some huge " tickets sellers. "
    Doesn't even matters is this boxing or other kind of combat sport if this is about prizefighting.

    Nothing wrong, " the cash cow " is term used to describe someone who brings in a lot of money for events promoters, media, ofc also for his managers, team, boxer's promoter etc.
    " the cash cow " actually rarely is bad boxer, usually they are very good boxers;), a lot of them also does have impressive achievements in amateur ranks before turned in pro.;)
     
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  11. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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  12. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    you're like a little child.
    the reason why you can't post without getting emotional is because you know your german fighters are hacks.
     
  13. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    this is exactly why german fighters who fight nobody prey on casual fans like you.
    you can't separate your national pride from reality.
     
  14. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah, Ward was clearly big at SMW, I believe Froch was surprised how strong his was. Froch was a light cutter. Ward would struggle to wrestle guys his natural size or bigger, would make him far less effective.
    For people comparing him to Golovkin, Golovkin fought at MW in the ams. He didn't cut down to get a size advantage in the pros.

    To be fair, Ward could have fought other LHW champs after Kovalev, but had bigger fish to fry, like fighting AJ and walking around with his backpack getting interviewed by internet boxing channels. In the end, it was just the backpack thing.

    Truth is that Ward pounced on Kovalev when there were signs he was beatable. It wasn't as obvious as with Canelo, but it was there, similar to when people sensed Golovkin was getting sluggish and started getting vocal about the fight (BJS and others). People ignore this now, but there was that fight in Russia where Kov didn't look so good and seemed unfit. Ward probably thought he could smother the power and wear him down, and he was right in theory, despite still losing the first fight. Also in the second fight Ward had intel from Snake Jackson, who was speaking to Dre on the phone (as you do), so he knew Kov was not properly focused.

    This was not the Kov that destroyed Cleverly and others.

    Anyway, Ward showed that he was targeting weakened goods and was fearful of Beterbiev and others because he quickly exited. If Ward truly loved to beat up these 'punchers', which is a common theme with him, jealousy of guys with more power, then he would have gone and 'schooled' Beterbiev, another big scalp and another perceived foreign cauc 'taking bread off his table' in Murica. He could have been undisputed at LHW and had more legacy claims etc. He took his ball and went home.
     
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  15. Salty Dog

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