Ward surpassed Calzaghe tonight

That was equal to Hopkins win, not better IMO

 

Dawson lacks heart and lost to the very basic Jean Pascal, good win against an opponent coming down in weight but I rate the Kessler and Froch wins higher.

 

to be quite honest, I don't think Calzaghe was "that good" that we can say he underachieved.

He was just above the Kessler's, Froch's of this world, but solidly below the Hopkins, Toney's, Jones's and probably Ward's

Solid for a european fighter, but not on the level of the top Americans.

Had he fought the missing names like those above, he almost certainly would have lost.

You have to remember, before the Lacy fight, Calzaghe wasn't considered to be anything special at all. He had a little purple patch at the end of his career, and got out of the game with his 0

I think he acheived all he could have done considering his ability

 

Tonight? Ward 'surpassed' him ages ago.

Joe had all the tools to be a great, but his lack of bottle killed his credibility. Even in his autobiography he say's that "It would be pointless fighting Jones now" and what does he do? Goes and fights Jones and nips his fear of flying in the bud at the same time.

The fact is, for arguments sake, that Joe could of faced Pavlik and had another Lacey-Esque performance under his belt and then faced Chad and beaten him and rode off into the sunset with two great wins. But he'll instead be remembered for facing two guys with a combined age of nearly 100 years old, Fact!

Two things that ruined Joe...

1) Being content with the WBO belt
2) Staying with ****** for so long

People forget just how hit & miss Joe actually was for a long time.

 

Ward would've really shot up the rankings if he'd added the consensus LHW championship to his ledger. Dawson is has many massive stylistic fallacies even when he isn't weight drained.

 

In a way your probably right about Calzaghe's legacy meaning less and less...

I believe he is envious of the respect Froch gets.

Ward has beaten everyone of threat at 168, no excuses for him.

 

froch deserves respect for fighting superior fighters to himself, and often finding a way to win.

Joe wouldnt even fight INFERIOR fighters to himself half the time, they had to be REALLY INFERIOR lol

 

I would say Calzaghe was certainly one of the more formidable stylists of the last era. So awkward, very quick and tough to boot.

Ward is more straight forward but gives his opponents less opportunities to get into the fight.

Both superb but when the dust has settled I could easily envision Ward surpassing everyone at 168. Jones wasn't there long enough, although H2H I have absolutely no doubt Roy would maim Ward whenever the mood took him.

Calzaghe-Ward is a very interesting fight to ponder stylistically.

Ward is a very, very good operator. Love watching him work.

 

Ward is a very classy fighter, but even last night, i don't know he just doesn't set pulses racing.

I can appreciate the skills, but I think it's becoming an issue with American fightes, by and large they do not set pulses racing.

Tyson-Holyfield-Hagler-Jones

Floyd-Ward-Boner-Dawson

where is the fun in that?

 

He is a poor mans B-Hop.

His style is ****ing awful to watch. It's jab-hug-use head and repeat til something big happens.

Boxing fans slag MMA fans off for the clinch game but in Ward and B-Hop you have two people who do nothing but fight like that.

 

I don't slag MMA off for the clinch game, nor Muay Thai. I'm not an ignoramus.

 

Would you agree though, that clinching a lot does not set pulses racing?

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The only thing that would stop me putting the house on Ward is that he's not as precise a punch picker as Hopkins.... and he shares the stamina problem that Hops had against Calzaghe.

Technically he's Joe's superior, and IQ wise he's ahead too.

Joe might force him to fight at a higher pace than he'd like, which is his only way of winning.

 

The clinch game in MMA is actually pretty exciting, especially when the likes of Silva implement it, unless they just stand there for about 2 minutes kneeing each other in the leg.