Ward vs a prime Mario Veit

He could go either way. He could continue up the rankings, or he could fade. Time will tell. The talent is there though.

Guys scrape the bottom of the rankings all the time.......or they don't.

Again, guys sneak into the bottom of the rankings all the time. Lots of guys beat guys like that. So what? Veit never made it himself. He cant piggy back off of another guy's success, however modest.

Kessler was and is a world class fighter. As are many of the guys in the current top 10. Can the same be said of the older crop?

All that A>B>C>D means nothing. It doesn't work that way.

Guys beat who they beat when they beat them. They don't just absorb all the wins their opponents scored.

 

How about Ward vs Stevenson? Stevenson has been called Ward out, but Ward refuses to even respond. Stevenson said he would go down to 168 if Ward is afraid to fight him at 175, but Ward still refuses to fight him..........

 

Ward has never refused to fight anyone. He´s a smart businessman. He is fighting anybody if the price is right.
You just bring up Stevenson, cause you´re scared that HBO will match him with Golovkin.

 

Bailey,

Fair enough. But you're just splitting hairs. He made more defences of his MW title than he did his SMW title. He made 6 defences of his MW title before relinquishing it to move up. He then beat Barkley for the SMW title, but eventually lost it against Roy, in only his 4th defence.

Nunn beat Frank Tate for the IBF MW title in July of 88, and then made 6 defences of it, eventually losing to Toney in his 6th defence, in May of 91. So he held the title for nearly three years. He then moved up to SMW and beat Victor Cordoba in Sept of 92. He then made 5 defences of the title, eventually losing to Steve Little in his 5th defence, in Feb of 94. So he held the title for just under 2 and a half years.

You're right with regards to Roy.

Again, only Roy did. Nunn stayed at MW longer, was a champ for longer, and made more defences there. Toney stayed at SMW as a champ for longer, but he defended his MW title more times than he defended his SMW title.

Whichever way you look at it, all three fighters only stopped there for a short period of time.

 

Bailey,

There's been many discrepancies over the years, with regards to all of the belts. But the point is, Joe was too good to be defending the WBO for all those years. It wasn't respected or rated. But he was unbelievably proud of it, and spoke of maybe surpassing Joe Louis's number of defences. I'm actually complementing Joe, I'm not trying to bring him down. He was a great fighter, and he should have been fighting better comp. Did you see the documentary that I posted in the other thread? He admits in it that he couldn't get up for some of the fights. He also admitted that he wouldn't go to the U.S. for less money, but MORE publicity.