Ward vs GGG at super middle who wins?

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He could have agreed to fight Ward after Lemiux but used multiple excuse to bail himself out.
-164 or no fight
- unfinished business at 160
- Canelo big fight
- i want all the belts

We now that the belt excuse was just a means for him to avoid Ward so he could feast on cheese puffs , welter weights and puff'd up junior middle weights.

Still waiting on proof he accepted Wards challenge at 168

 

Yes I know Vargas signed his part of the deal. But a contract needs to be signed and agreed by both parties which is why it wasn't finalised as Brook didn't sign anything. That's how he was free to risk his life and career by taking a fight with GGG.

A decision which should be lamented not praised, since it ruined a prime fighter of his best years. Now Brook's only hope is to domestic dust up against another faded fighter in Khan.

Had he not have been completely and utterly ruined by GGG, he'd have had a more honorable defeat to the hands of Spence, rather than falling down on one knee and begging for mercy due to the relentless PTSD related flashbacks of thumping and thudding punches being rained down on him by GGG.

 

Let me try to brake it down ...
I see a very ugly with with Ward working on the inside. Even years ago Abel said GGG is a more complete fighter than Kovalev and I would agree. His bodywork (apart from that wicked straight to the body) is not as good as Golovkin's. Golovkin's jab, though shorter, is more efficient (and it can be statistically proven). And what's more important Golovkin's fighting heart and willingness to take punishment makes a big difference between them. Nevertheless, I still favor Ward and this is why ...

Ward ofc is no Jacobs, but he has a shorter reach than him and Golovkin still outjabbed Jacobs, so I see GGG winning the battle of the jabs, but that doesn't win him the fight. What Ward does is get on the inside under the jab or inbetween GGG's powershots. It's a tactic that good muay thai clinchers use when facing a better boxer. They put their head/chin down and make a step forward as the opponent tries to come in an leans on his front foot. That enables them/Ward to break the attack and more importantly make the first move in the clinch as the opponent throwing the shot goes off balance for a second. That's how Ward was able to trash so many guys on the inside.

Now, his problem here is that GGG would not always over commit and has a better balance than any of the guys Ward has faced. He also makes a great and simple defensive move when attacked which alot of people here try to downplay for no reason. Using his great awareness of the situation and experience in the ring he moves back a step or two when he sees the opponent loading up. He is able to do that, because he is always increasing the distance between his back and the ropes by moving forward, so by attacking he creates a safe and broad space for retreat. He is attacking and defending at the same time - signs of a great ring IQ as he is thinking steps ahead. As of now nobody was able to stop that, because mostly he moved away in time.

However Ward would not get punished for not completely reaching the target as Golovkin doesn't bounce back right away but he just resets and starts jabbing and moving forward again. Eventually Ward would clinch Gennady of the ropes and go for his body/beltline. GGG takes a better shot to the body than Kovalev, but he too doesn't like it that much and is not very good in landing body shots in the clinch as he needs space to hit the body.

That along with headbutts, elbows and tackles would probably frustrate him alot which would eventually brake his rhythm. G would win a few round, but in the end I see a 8-4 type affair, with Ward going through some scary moments, maybe even a KD.

 

A very good breakdown on how the fight would realistically play out, you just needed to break down your sentences into paragraphs and it would be more reader friendly.

What I will say is that you are incorrect associating Ward's diving in with his head with Muay Thai which is an insult to the great art of combat.

True Muay Thai fighters do not dishonor and disgrace themselves by resorting to thug house illegal tactics.
Ward attempting to add headbutt or elbows into the mix would only inflame GGG's temper to punish him even harder. Abel would diligently prepare and arm GGG with the necessary tools to negate all the illegal work Ward brings.

 

This has always been my take.

 

Thank you. I've edited it.

Maybe I wasn't specific enough. I am a Muay Thai fighter myself and have competed at elite amateur and high professional level. And I agree there is a difference, Ward comes with the head straight in, while we duck and aim for the shoulder so we dont headbutt and clinch from there on. Former Soviet block fighters use this tactic very well. I always failed to beat their best fighters as after I would land a punch they would step forward and throw me off blanace or just smother my attack. Then I would be using the same thing against dutch fighters and beat them russian fighters would also stand ground, catch you commit to the front foot, make a litte side step and use your force to turn you or throw you. So yes True Muay Thai fighters do not dishonor the art.

 

Golovkin as good as he is imo is slowing down and can be hit. The problem is most cannot get around his jab and his high pressure. I think the advantages Kovalev has over Golovkin is his size/height and his footwork with the pace he sets. I don't think Golovkin has the thing which gives Ward fits which Calzaghe has and Kovalev had is the pace they set.

The ''in and out'' bounce Kovalev has in his arsenal with the pace he sets gave Ward all kinds of trouble. It wasn't so much his jab but his movement/pace.

I think Ward would rough it out and get on the inside evading the jab enough to get shots off to a UD/SD type of decision. It would be close but not controversial. Ward for me is a bigger puncher than Canelo. Someone mentioned Canelo is a bigger puncher but i don't see any real proof for that to be the case.

 

Gun to my head, forced to pick a winner, would have to go with Ward. He'd dwarf 3G inthe ring. Remember how small he looked compared to a "MW" Jacobs. Ward is incredibly skilled. and a harder hitter than most give him credit for.

 

You need to pay for wrestlers if you've got a camp for a Ward fight, you have to prepare for the under jab takedown attempt.

 

Im a huge Golovkin fan but I can see that Ward takes this fight in a clear but ugly decision.

 

Golovkin not a complete fighter. He's actually rather one dimensional as Ward pointed out recently. What strategic adjustment did he make against Jacobs (whom he lost to on my card) and Canelo Alvarez. This an easy fight to pick unless you're a fanboy. Ward by decision 10-2 or possibly a late knockout.

 

Ggg his team his fans and hbo wanted nothing to do with ward. Funny now that ward is retired ggg fans are coming out of the woodwork talking about how ggg would make easy work of ward. Do these ****bois think no one was here when ward was still at 168??? Ggg fans made every excuse in the book as to why ggg shouldnt fight ward it was pathetic. From ggg wants to unify to ward is boring to ward isnt a draw and my personal favorite ward should move up to 175 and fight kovalev lmfao!!!!

These ggg fans have no shame and will say and do anything to protect their god. If they felt ward was easy work like theyre now claiming they sure as hell didnt act like that when ward was at 168 and made every excuse in the book as to why ggg didnt need to fight ward. On the other hand ward fans wanted that fight badly why? Because we knew ggg would get that work.

 

Why do you try to constantly imply that Golovkin is some sort of bum when it's obviously far from the reality, he's a great fighter who nobody can beat thus far.

I doubt anybody would have claimed Ward was 'easy work', he's obviously not an easy night for anybody and the same applies for Golovkin. They are both two future hall of famers.

I can't recall Ward fans desperately wanting him to fight GGG. Golovkin was the most avoided fighter in the sport at that point.

Nobody knows who would have won that match up.

What I don't get from you fans who hate fighters such as Golovkin and Kovalev is that you don't acknowledge they are superb fighters. Whereas I and many others found Ward and Mayweather incredibly boring to watch, but I would never call them bums or anything like that. I just called them boring to watch which is the reality, but I would never deny that they were top fighters. I think you Ward and Mayweather fans have no respect at all and use childish words like 'Bumlovkin' and try to minimize them at every opportunity.

 

Usual suspects, once again underestimate G. I see G catching him with one of those shots and taking Ward out! Ward has no chin

 

A great fighter would have easily dealt with Jacobs (I don't care what anyone says Golovkin lost that fight) and Canelo.