Ward vs Kov 2 PPV buys?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by GK BOX, Jun 15, 2017.



PPV buy rate

  1. 500k plus

    5 vote(s)
    10.2%
  2. 400-500

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. 300-400

    4 vote(s)
    8.2%
  4. 200-300

    14 vote(s)
    28.6%
  5. 100-200

    26 vote(s)
    53.1%
  1. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting viewpoint.

    I always expect rematches to do worse than the first fight, e.g.

    Pac-Bradley I: 890k
    Pac-Bradley II: 800k
    Pac-Bradley III: 450k

    Holyfield-Lewis I: 1.2 M
    Holyfield-Lewis II: 850k

    Floyd-Maidana I: 900k
    Floyd-Maidana II: 925k (but note that the rematch was promoted far more than the first fight)

    Plus there's Canelo-GGG and May-McGregor taking the rematch off the front page. Casuals don't even know it's happening.
     
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  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I don't think it will do much more than the first fight. Ward isn't a draw or particularly exciting to watch and Kovalev is not American and only is followed by hardcore boxing fans.
     
  3. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz VIP Member Full Member

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    It might do 300k. They should've promoted this fight more. It came upon us quick.
     
  4. mandatory

    mandatory Nuthugger Crusher Full Member

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    175,000 or so.. Hope Im wrong
     
  5. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nice research with the numbers. That backs up my assumption. That most rematches and certainly Ward-Kovalev can improve ppv buys from the first one, but not massively. I will be shocked if more than 25% more, which will be 200k.
     
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  6. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't care whether it sells or not. If you are fortunate enough to watch this fight consider yourself a true fan. This is a "can't miss" fight.
     
  7. GK BOX

    GK BOX Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here's why I care about the numbers. Canelo Chavez does 1.2 million but Ward Kov can't crack 200k? Imagine if it was the other way around. The sport would be in better shape
     
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  8. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    150k I think. With the news of Mayweather-McGregor, boxing media are focussing on that and people don't even know it's KovWard2.
     
  9. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    It would be great if it could do 325K but probably around 225K
     
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  10. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz VIP Member Full Member

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    Agreed. But the boxers popularity and earning potential shouldn't be penalized or compromised. But you're right Kov Ward should be the fight selling a mil ppvs.
     
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  11. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't necessarily doubt this trend, but I'm not sure those are the best examples to use since the first fights in two of them were flat out robberies.
     
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  12. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, there's no perfect example.

    Neither do we have precedent on the impact of having Mayweather-McGregor announced in the week before a ppv event.
     
  13. Rock0052

    Rock0052 VIP Member Full Member

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    At the risk of beating a dead horse, prime King or Arum (heck, even Oscar) would've had a field day building this fight up. The last U.S. Olympic gold medalist in a rivalry with the cold Russian knockout artist? Controversial scoring on top of it? P4P talents fighting at their prime? Good grief, it'd have been like printing money.

    Instead, these clowns just mailed it in and figured the hardcore fans will buy it, so why put in the work? I'm glad Andre got paid and Roc took the financial loss the first go around. He did his job. I only wish Kovalev was getting paid more.
     
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  14. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. Full Member

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    Pac Bradley is not that great of an example.
    I would look at the Jones Jr/Tarver trilogy.
    I think the first fight had a crowd of 8000 while the third one had over 20 000. And each fight generated more revenue in ppv sales.
     
  15. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes, that's true, good counter-example.

    Jones Jr - Tarver I: 302k
    Jones Jr - Tarver II: 384k
    Jones Jr - Tarver III: 440k

    However, how much promotion is done is probably the largest factor and Ward-Kovalev II has not been promoted well.
     
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