Ward would be far too much for GGG, Ward's infighting alone would be overwhelming

ggg ain't gonna risk a definite loss against ward so why are we even having this conversation?

 

What Ward is missing is personality.

Mayweather isn't a PPV star because of his exciting in the ring style.

Ward will never be a PPV star, because PPV stars have to have a cross over personality or an attractive fighting style. Ward has neither.

 

true he's gonna keep fighting jr middles.

 

I'm starting to get concerned that Ward's taking less out of the Floyd Mayweather playbook and more out of the Winky Wright one. A different promoter will help, but Andre's got to be willing to play ball to get momentum back, too. Seems like he's getting jaded on the sport....not that I blame him. It's got to be sour seeing fighters you beat selling 10 times the tickets you do while you're tied up in court.

I wonder if he ever thought about just buying out the rest of his contract and getting to promotional free agency that way. It seems like he'd have gotten more bang for his buck and would be able to get back on the networks sooner if he did.

 

People also said that Mayweather lacks personality and his trash talking was cheap at best. With the right promotion and proper advertisement even if you spoke gibberish people will tune in as long as your promotion constantly keeps you talking in public and always in people's faces. To quote people from 8 years ago, "Mayweather can't draw flies to ****".

Did Broner have personality?, was his fighting style appealing in ANY way?, I don't even think people knew what his fighting style really was. Did Hopkins have personality and an appealing fighting style?. There are countless other examples out there.

 

I'm sure that if he could he would have done so in a heartbeat. Sadly, he can't which is why he's stuck.

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone with any knowledge whatsoever(not the average *******s infesting this site lately) that Goossen is a horrific promoter. He had someone like Paul Williams who beat Concreto back when Concreto was being hyped beyond imagining yet failed to capitalize. Concreto still went on to get his already planned payday against Cotto while Williams was quickly forgotten and ignored. He did the same thing with Williams when he didn't go on with the Pavlik fight/postponement only to see DiBella capitalize and send Martinez to take it. Funny thing is, the idiot Goossen and Williams were both sitting ringside attending that fight. There are many other examples proving how terrible this promoter is. I have no idea what Ward was thinking when he skipped on Golden Boy, TOP RANK and even DiBella and went with Goossen. Ward has terrible advisers, terrible management and a cheap first class proven trash promoter. Those that are saying it "takes personality to become a PPV star!" are nothing but pathetic hating idiots. Did Broner show any personality?, honestly. All his promotion did was constantly have him behind the camera and all he did was talk absolute nonsense that even three translators won't be able to understand.

Ward is proof right here that even if you have A class wins, without the right management no one will give a damn. Lets be real here, did Concreto have ANY significant victory, like ANY, back when TOP RANK were hyping him to be "this era's Hagler"?. Business as a whole is all about management, if you don't advertise/promote regularly, regardless of how good or bad your product is, no one will know it exists.

 

Hopkins was never a ppv star. Oscar was, but he wasn't. He sold relatively well, but no where near the big guys.

Broner was never ppv. Though yes, he did have personality and an exciting style imo. He was exciting in his close fights, and very exciting in his dominant wins. Personality doesn't mean likable.

People might have said that about Mayweather, but they where idiot. Ward doesn't have the advantages that Mayweather had to reach where he did, he doesn't have the PPV star to take over from.

Most importantly both his style and personality are boring - neither likable or aggravating. He will neither be loved or hated. He'll just sit there in perpetual beigeness, an extremely talented but relatively unmarketable fighter. The hardcore fans will enjoy him, but he doesn't posses any of the WWE style flair required to be a crossover star.

 

Ok lets see, BTW
George Foreman was the most over-rated fighter on the planet, everyone
kissed his butt and gave him a break. His loss over the smallish and barely talented Jimmy Young tells it all--George had a critical shortage on lung capacity and stamina... Ali crushed him while he flailed. It looks like time is finally catching up to George and the other so-called greats.

 

I'm mostly talking about publicity and general recognition, Hopkins is not a PPV star but he definitely sold good fighting guys like Taylor x2, Pavlik(during the recession), Tarver and many more. It's too early for us to judge Broner, only recently did his hype start and he's still far more recognized and discussed compared to Ward.

As previously proven already, whether your style and personality are not appealing enough they both can be overshadowed by a good promoter. Ward is hardly getting any publicity whatsoever and it would be silly to say it's only his fault otherwise no one in the sport would pay millions hiring advisers, promoters and managers.

 

I can't even play devil's advocate on this one, really. Marketing and politics are crucial in this sport since there's no organized schedule or centralized governing body to police it. I'd argue they're too important and the sport as a whole suffers for it, and your examples demonstrate that well.

The only great thing Goosen did was secure home fights throughout the Super 6 and get HBO to overpay on a couple fights. Other than that, Ward's been held back and whoever's advising and managing him hasn't done him many favors.

It's insane to think Ward's never fought in Vegas. He's still the last Olympic gold medalist we had and is based on the west coast. The publicity and public image he had coming off that Olympics was the perfect launching point to a huge career. How he never got booked there on the way up is mind-boggling.

 

I doubt Ward would fight GGG from the outside. He'd get inside, smother him, and maul him inside. Outside is too dangerous and GGG is too good of a boxer with too good of a defense (parries, rolls, angles, & distance) to make outside reliable. Everyone saying GGG's defense sucks, apparently has no experience with combat sports. GGG's reaction time is very short, too. I'm not saying Ward can't beat GGG outside, I'm saying it's risky, and inside is where it's at for Ward in Golovkin-Ward. Outside is not a good game plan, IMO.

 

Which is more or less why a lot of people think its his own fault and dont feel too bad for him since he re-upped with Goossen.

Also worth recalling that Goossen wasnt even responsible for S6, 95% of the work there was done by Showtime.

Ward also making mistakes with his off-time marketing. He would be better served talking up possible fights, and keeping the clean cut sportsman image instead of sounding whiny and talking bad about all the fighters around his weight who werent dumb enough to sign with Goossen.

He is too naturally articulate, and comes across as too composed to pull off the heel act. I think he can be a star if he severs from GT, and a smart promoter would advise him to play to his strengths under the camera.

 

Fully agree.

 

It's definitely his own fault, no denying that. Now he's trying to get out of it, which I commend him for, but can't seem to be able to. Oh trust me, I know that Goossen wasn't even responsible of the Super six induction of Ward.

Ward does talk about possible fights and has called out many opponents, only problem is that he's being completely ignored and for obvious reasons. He's not a major attraction and offers far too much risk, no one in their right mind would head that way and literally donate a big fight for him when his own management clearly don't care to do so. You know there's a big problem when fighters he beat moved on to bigger and better things while he's left behind ignored.

Sadly all he could do lately is sound whiny, and that's clearly a desperate move. Can you blame him?, he's the winner of the Super Six yet looks like the loser. The rest(the ones that lost) all moved on to bigger and better things while he's stuck at nothing.

 

You know a fighter is damn good when people have to go a division or two up to find a guy who they think can beat him. :deal