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Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Fighting Weight, Sep 26, 2008.

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Fighting Weight Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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the kick said:

bollocks..

boxing is money fullstop.

integrity goes out the window as soon as your a household name it applies to hundreds of fighters not just joe,and warren is somehow a man of integrity now...please, sour grapes thats all!

you should have given my boy a shot though joe,eubank did with you.lol.
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No, boxing is a sport full stop.

Calslappy wants to take ducking to a whole new level, it seems - even Warren who is the king of the **** matches is now calling Joe on it. Pretty conclusive if you ask me, I've NEVER seen Warren come out with **** like this before about any fighter he's promoted.

Fighting Weight, Sep 26, 2008

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Oh do P*ss off Frank.
Seriously, does anyone besides the worst JC haters really beleive the guy who screwed RH and overprotects his fighters notoriously once they get popular enough to fill a stadium?

We all remember how trustworthy Don king, Mogen Palle, Bob Arum, whathsisname Sauerland have been throughout history, why should Warren be any better. Especially after he had people paying PPV for Amir Khan before the guy even got a title fight. BS!!!

Although in fairness to Warren, Jones and Hopkins both avoided Calzaghelike he was, erm Margarito. But thats not Joes fault.

Sure, Joe is probably an @$$hole from being bullied in high school and he doesn't have to starve to make weight (who can't envy him?), but this is BS. Warren's basically copied every critique levelled at him by Bob Deltoff and others in the past and thrown them into his article to gain support from the same JC haters that ignored him in the past. Don't buy this bullsh** for a minute.

Vanihm, Sep 26, 2008

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I will agree with Warren regarding the Johnson fight but he's on crack if he really thought he could get more money for a Pavlik fight then a Jones fight ..And lets not forget that Hatton also cut ties with Warren as well there are 2 sides of the coin !

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Pavlik's name is nowhere near as recognizable as Roy's. Roy has fans that don't even watch boxing unless he's fighting. A lot of Hip Hop fans. Ask the average person on the street to come to your Kelly Pavlik fight party and see how many people actually show up. Ask them to come to your RJJ fight party and ho's and everythang will be there. If it weren't for Jermaine Taylor fan's watching the undercard when Pavlik fought Miranda... he'd be even less recognized.

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JIM KELLY said:

how did frank lose 500 grand from the Kessler fight? By betting on Kessler?atsch
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JIM KELLY, Sep 26, 2008

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"Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth."

^What Bob Arum said applies equally to Warren.

Dark Sider, Sep 26, 2008

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Fighting Weight said:

WHEN Joe Calzaghe said he would promote himself against Roy Jones Jnr, he said he hoped our split would be amicable.

Well that obviously isnt the case but having considered him more a friend than a fighter I have kept my silence.

But Calzaghes recent attacks on me in the Press have left me no choice but to defend myself in print, although I find it deeply saddening that I have to do so.

When Joe signed with me he couldnt afford to pay his mortgage. But over 12 long, hard, but successful years, I helped make him into a multi-millionaire, one of the best-known UK sports personalities who is now nailed-on for boxings Hall of Fame.

In his book, he says signing with me was the best decision he ever made. But he now claims he was held back, kept in shackles and could have had big fights sooner.

Yet until he beat Jeff Lacy and finally began to believe in himself, one person and one person alone afflicted his career: Joe Calzaghe.

He would pull out of fights at short notice for reasons he felt were valid. But it left me to sort out the mess with opponents furious and TV execs pulling their hair out.

Once I had to pay opponents cash up front before they would sign a contract because they were afraid of going through weeks of training camps for nothing if he pulled out.

I lost $100,000 to Glen Johnson when Joe pulled out of a world-title fight with him for a second time. This the same Johnson who KOd Jones four years ago.

I recall that when I vetoed a fight with Freeman Barr, a dreadful mediocre No 1 mandatory challenger who meant nothing, Joe said that he wanted to face him.

Sky and I didnt want the fight and fortunately the bout didnt come off after Barr was beaten. For much of Joes career, I worked with US TV network Showtime, and they nicknamed Calzaghe No Show Joe, not least because of the pullouts and the fact hed refuse to travel to the States to promote his fights.

Calzaghe blamed his reluctance to travel on his fear of flying. But it made trying to build a name for him in the US a nightmare.

For chunks of Calzaghes reign as a world champ, American TV lost all interest in the Welshman, but I continued to pay him the same money he was on when he was boxing on Showtime.

And it wasnt just the Americans who were growing frustrated with Joe.

When the WBO ordered Calzaghe to face Mario Veit for a second time having already knocked him out in the first round I had a major problem because not one television station in the UK wanted the fight.

Fortunately I managed to kid Veits German promoters I was going to make a big bid and it would take a massive sum to take the fight to the Continent.

They gambled on being able to recoup some of the money back from Sky or ITV.

They got a nasty surprise when they realised there would hardly be a penny our end but Joe still grossed $1.7m when the fight could have gone for zilch.

After Veit II, Calzaghe went on to fight Lacy in what would go down as one of the best British performances of all time.
Proudest moment

Yet that fight, like others, was nearly shelved.

He insisted a couple of weeks beforehand he was injured and couldnt fight.

Both his dad Enzo and I persuaded him in the end to step through the ropes, something Ive never done with a boxer before or since.

For me, that was the making of Calzaghe.

But my proudest moment in the sport came 18 months later when Joe beat Mikkel Kessler in Cardiff to prove what Id said for years that he was the worlds best super-middleweight. I lost £500,000 on that show but money really didnt matter on the night because it was such a wonderful feeling to see him finally unify the world titles.

Knowing Joe had a good chance of winning BBC Sports Personality of the Year, the week before voting I gave the BBC a re-run of the fight for free despite being offered money for the delay by ITV.

I believed it would help secure votes for him. It duly did and my decision was vindicated when Calzaghe won Sports Personality.

But then so much of my time with Joe was spent working behind the scenes to raise his profile.

When the opportunity to meet the Prince of Wales in Cardiff came up, Joe was reluctant to go along, even though it was just a few miles down the road.

In the end, I was able to make him see sense. Was it a coincidence that in the spring he was awarded the CBE?

Other times I wasnt so successful. One Saturday morning he was due to appear on a childrens TV show which was based on boxing and centred on Joe.

Thirty minutes before the show was due to go on air in London, I got a call from Joe, no doubt for reasons, saying he wouldnt be able to go after all, leaving me again to call the unfortunate producers.

I gave up trying to get him the kind of gigs Ricky Hatton would do at the drop of a hat.

Joe made comments about the money and attention Hatton got but, although Joe is the better boxer, Ricky was prepared to put in the hard yards to get publicity.

In April, having decided he could travel to the States, Joe defeated Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas a night where I felt a great deal of personal vindication.

Months before the fight, we met and agreed Id promote Joes next bout which he said would be his last and I began negotiating with Bob Arum for Kelly Pavlik and Roy Jones.

I preferred the Pavlik fight as Jones is way past his best.

In the 2008 latest edition of his autobiography, Joe states Jones is washed up and in an interview in Boxing Monthly said he had no interest in fighting Jones.

Now he is trying to make out Jones will provide a legitimate challenge.

Jones will probably get on his bike against Calzaghe Joe struggles against runners. I believe I could have got Calzaghe far more money than he managed to secure himself.

He agreed a 50-50 purse split with Jones. Roy must have thought he had won the lottery.

After Joe beat Hopkins, HBO pay-per-view exec Mark Taffett told me they didnt care who he fought next Calzaghe was the No 1, not Jones or Pavlik.

Over-the-hill Jones brought hardly a thing to the table and certainly not 50 per cent. A fight against Pavlik, which Arum had agreed, would have done far more for Calzaghes legacy.

And Arum would have accepted 40 per cent of the pay-per-view figures and given up the UK revenue.

As Joes manager, I was entitled to take a percentage of his purses but never took sixpence from him, barring the second Veit fight, which was on another promoters show.

At 36, he is hardly a kid who has been exploited. And its ironic he has attacked me this week over the choice of Amir Khans opponent.

Ive said all along the buck stops with me the same matchmaker who picked Calzaghes opponents during his unbeaten reign.

Over the years, I helped Joe with personal problems, gave him gifts and genuinely believed we had become friends.

I also became close to his dad, who joked with me at ringside in Manchester this month. If someone kept my son in shackles and mistreated him, I wouldnt give them the time of day.

I still regard Calzaghe as the best fighter to have come out of the UK since the war.

Although he is something special between the ropes, it seems money is now his master.

He said as much recently when ambushed live on ITV by Carl Froch, who demanded a fight.

Calzaghes response? Its all about the money, man.

I wont comment on Joe again until the action between him and Sports Network is decided. Its so sad it has come to this.
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Would you like some cheese with that whine Frank?

LiamE, Sep 26, 2008

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Fighting Weight said:

Yeah cos Joe has a long and distinguished history of taking on big challenges regardless of the money right atsch

I believe Hatton and Joe both dropped Warren for their own reasons, only difference is that Hattons was to do with owning his own career, Calslappys was because he didn't want to be matched with any more monsters. Warren says as much in that interview.
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Yeah, because has had so much trouble with monsters so far.

Not long ago, you were calling Warren every kind of **** in the book.

If Don King published an interview slagging Tyson or some of his other victims, nobody would put much credence in it.

This is the same sort of thing.

For ages, he was criticized on here for staying with Warren.

He leaves him and gets criticized.

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That quote from Frank rings really true.

You could stop reading right there.

Self-serving pile of shyte from a greedy, self-righteous *****.

cuchulain, Sep 26, 2008

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Warren is 100% correct in the article.

It is a shame the best P4P fighter in history is scared of his own ability.

China_hand_Joe, Sep 27, 2008

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China_hand_Joe said:

Warren is 100% correct in the article.

It is a shame the best P4P fighter in history is scared of his own ability.
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Who are those two ladies in your avatar ?

cuchulain, Sep 27, 2008

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No honour among thieves

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Good article, thanks for posting
Yes they both are shady but in terms of the split and history I tend to believe Warren

RealIzm, Sep 27, 2008

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it's no secret Calzaghe is a horrible ****er, and has done plenty of ducking in his boxing career, Pavlik is just the latest example.

Betty Swollocks, Sep 27, 2008

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Betty Swollocks said:

it's no secret Calzaghe is a horrible ****er, and has done plenty of ducking in his boxing career, Pavlik is just the latest example.
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Love the avatar Betty:good

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