Warrior or just really protected well????????

Agree

 

while i agree he has been protected since 130, i think it's fair to say a lot of the guys who jump weight follow a similar path, as far as being very picky of who they fight

 

If you can pick holes in Pacquaio's resume, then you can do it to anyones.

He's probably the least protected elite fighter since Oscar.

 

Ok this is getting ridiculous. 1 the Oscar fight was scheduled at 147 its not Pacs fault Oscar was an idiot about weight. 2 the 147 weight was the weight that Oscar suggested, I mean honestly did you expect him to come up to 154 when he hadn't ever fought about 135. Then the last thing this is blantent history rewriting, I mean how many people before that fight said oh yeah Oscar is going to dominate its far to much for Pac and all that other jazz. Then right after Pac wins it was because Oscar was a dried up husk of his former self. Come on now.

 

only idiots or joyboys thinks pacquiao is protected. make a poll for this and make it public. :deal

 

Sure there is some truth to what you say but you are definitely spinning it against Pac instead of going straight down the middle. MAB was a big favorite first fight. Morales beat him first fight and Pac avenged a loss which is almost never a bad thing.

Oscar was at 147 and while showing signs of aging had just lost a SD against the P4P king and had a catchweight fight preparing him for the shrink down to 147. Also, consider Pac leapt 17 lbs in 2 fights! That is a 13% weight gain in a very short time. It is no wonder Oscar was a favorite.

Hatton might have had his 2nd best win the fight previous to Pac defeating the almost universally ranked #2 fighter in his division in a virtual sweep. The Lazcano fight was a poor showing but it was still close to a sweep when Ricky had to go down in weight after his first career loss. It could easily be argued to be Hatton just shaking off the PBF loss.

David Diaz is a legit complaint but remember he was/is going for belts. That left 3 guys: Nate, Casa, or Diaz. Casamayor, while being lineal champ, almost had less credit than Diaz at the time because he robbed santa cruz. Guzman was not even at 135 which was a necessary step up if Pac was gonna go after Oscar. He should have gone after Campbell but Nate, IMO, was lucky to be in the right place at the right time for once in his career with Juan Diaz. Without the Diaz win, NO ONE is talking about Nate now.

As for the Cotto fight, you have to be a hater not to give Manny credit for beating a man with a legit case for being undefeated and the #1 ranked WW. Cotto trimmed 1# and Manny still couldnt even weigh the limit at a catchweight.

I believe these are all facts but I am a Pac fan so it could be a little biased lol.

 

if my memory serves, before Pacs last three fights, ODL, Hatton and Cotto, a majority of people here on ESB all said Pac was gonna eat canvas. Osacar's to big, Hatton is to big a puncher, Cotto is both too big and too strong.

Then Pac beats them all. Handily.

Now, Oscar is washed up bum who was dehydrated. Hatton was nothing more than a pumped up club fighter. Cotto never got it back after Margo.

Basically the people finding ways to discredit the mans wins are the ones that ate crow after the fights. See rather than admit they were wrong, the find the reasons the boxer lost. Lack of accuntability. Or the balls to say, "Dam. I was wrong"

 

I swear people with less than 1000 posts shouldn't be allowed to start threads on here.

 

Yawn.

 

MAB2 was suppose to be a fight where a great fighter like barrera gets a chance to redeem himself. it's not pac's fault that barrera took 4 years to think that he want's another shot at pacquiao. and besides the close loss to jmm and a close win over rocky juarez, MAB has been doing quite well to merit a fight. i'm not saying it's right for pac to take this fight at the time coz jmm2 deserves it more but pac eventually remathced jmm after this. also this fight was done after TR and GBP bury the hatchet over pac's contract dispute that fave the wy for other great match-ups between the two outfits.

So are we blaming pacquiao now to fight morales at his first fight moving up from 126 to 130 when jmm refused and immeadiate rematch because of money concerns? and it was team morales back then that is controlling the rematch. remember that it is suppose to be a 3 fight contract but it was morales' team which has the options if they want another fight with pac. it was arum's wisdom back then that they fight seperate opponents first before the 2nd fight and morales' losing to raheem at 135 is not on arum's plan.

oscar fight was contracted at 147. it was not pac's fault again that oscar tried to make it too low. reports suggest that oscar did this to match pac's speed because he already had this inherent size advantage going in. beides, he is just coming from 151 from a previous bout. people back then are blasting oscar for picking-on pacquiao who has only 1 fight at 135 that time, the same way floyd was blasted for cherrry-picking jmm from 135 to welterweight.

lazcano showed hatton to vulnerabilities and floyd had beaten hatton at 147 where he looked **** but before this, hatton had just destroyed the considered #2 LWW that time in malignaggi and still undefeated at 140. and at the time, most people thinks the oscar fight was a fluke and a fight with hatton at 140 would show how pac can handle real a "big guy" who is in his prime and in his "best weight". not to mention that hatton brings in the most financial gain for pac at the time.

cotto at 145 is just an assurance from team pac and roach that a fight with cotto will be done fairly sizewise. we still don't know how pac would handle fighting an elite welter so a catchweight fight makes sense here. the only bad thing is to force cotto to defend the title at 145 but if cotto agreed and was compensated monetarily for it, then no one should be complaining much. besides cotto showed that 145 did not affected him by fighting showing more grit and determination than in his previous fight with clottey.

by this time, team pac knew that they can handle welterweights well even if he is not a full-sized welter. pac's local team, still wants a catchweight because they knew that clottey is a big welter but roach and arum thinks there is no need for this anymore. it's not unusual for a team's memebers to look out for the well being of their fighters in a pre-fight negotiation.

david diaz was supposed to be pac's first fight at 135 and it was suppose to be him much earlier instead of jmm2 at 130. and also david diaz is with top rank so it makes this fight easier to make. a guzman fight could be made back at 130 but not at 135. i agree that pac could have fought guzman or valero back then instead of solis but if you have 3 fights with morales and a fight each with MAB and JMM at the weight, it was a pretty solid resume.

clottey is a good replacement fight at welter. he is a kind of fight that is too risky for someone like pacquiao but with little rewards after. it's not only pac's fault that floyd-pac fell through. floyd with his demand played a crucial part on it and could have just accepted a 24 day cut-off as much as pac accepting a 14 day cut-off, when floyd himself told us in the first place that it is an easy fight.