Was Anthony Joshua's lack of an above average jab, exposed against Povetkin & Joseph Parker?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Oct 27, 2018.


Was Joshua's jab exposed to be average at best, for a super heavyweight, in his last 2 bouts?

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  1. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Show me that post?? All i said was his method of getting inside on Wlad was legal and foul-free , which it was.. You claim he was fouling.. Prove it?
    Falsely claiming Povetkin fought illegally is the only argument you have because you can't explain away Wlads constant despicable blatant cheating. Calling Povetkin the cheat exposes what you're really all about.

    Povetkin closed the distance just fine , so does Lomachenko. What Lomachenko can do says nothing about how Wlad is physically and mentally incapable of handling pressure , so you debunked nothing by referencing Lomachenko.
     
  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    You need to watch MORE boxing. Due to the height of the guys Povetkin is fighting , a simple slip of the jab puts his head level with their belt-line. Often that belt line is pulled up to their mid-section. No ref will ever call defensive slipping /bobbing n weaving a foul.
    Mike Tyson dipped down to guys knee level , i don't ever recall anybody accusing him of cheating.

    Ducking bellow the waist is a foul in a totally different context. Like slouching down while holding on.


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    Thats Povetkin fighting with the exact same tactics he used against Wlad , Joshua , Duhapus etc.

    Rudenko is the same height which is why Povetkins head didn't match-up to his beltline. You are essentially calling Povetkin a cheater for dipping his knees and slipping shots.
    You've openly admitted you dksab , that all you proved here.
     
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  3. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Yeah , you've pathetically spent the last week typing up responses on a word document , then pasting it in here. It takes no time at all you debunk your rubbish.
     
  4. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Proves you dont know what you are on about.
     
  5. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Whyte is the one who really exposed AJ's lack of a good jab. He's gotten better but getting outjabbed by Whyte (who has no ring IQ so he didn't stick with it) was embarrassing.
     
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  6. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, I know Povetkin was already gassing by as early as the 4th round against David Price, without Price needing to land any of those so called 'body jabs' on Povetkin the way Joshua supposedly did. Wanna know why? It's simple! Povetkin had no stamina by age 38 to fight 12 rounds at a high intensity at the elite level.

    Those body jabs were practically irrelevant. Any decent boxer with a decent chin and boxing skills, would beat current Povetkin if they last 6 rounds and force him to fight at a high pace. That's exactly what Joshua did. And that's exactly what the likes of Jarrell Miller, Dillian Whyte, Oleksandr Usyk and etc. would do.
     
  7. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    OK! And that's relevant to the topic in what way?


    This was your statement in post number 53:

    "He came forward like anybody would against a taller boxer"

    And I proved to you that this statement was false, by showing you another boxer who came forward differently and more effectively than the way Povetkin did. This is exactly what I debunked.

    As for proof of Povetkin fouling? I've already explained myself and the proof is right in front of your eyes. It's in the very video you posted. If you choose to ignore it, then that's on you and not on me.

    What Lomachenko can do, says a lot about how limited and poor Povetkin's footwork was against Wladimir Klitschko. Usyk or Lomachenko would never allow any opponent to lean on them or clinch them that way. Wanna know why? Because they control distance better, have better footwork, maintain a tighter guard and have better balance due to keeping their hips under them. All of which Povetkin is inferior at or lacks.


    There's a difference between someone squatting down low whilst keeping their head up, to someone bending their back and lowing their head by pointing their face down. The latter is illegal if they bend below the waist. The former is not. In that very video you posted above, you've just proven yourself that Povetkin is a fouler who used illegal tactics. That alone, further reinforces my point!

    Skillful boxers with better head movement don't look downwards whilst bending their back. They squat down whilst keeping their head up. If someone bends their back and has their skull at their opponent's groin level, then they deserve to be clinched if they are too close for comfort.

    If you want to play this little game of ambiguity. I can too. Find me where Wladimir Klitschko fouled and used illegal moves against Povetkin. And if you say he excessively clinched, then find me the rule book that SPECIFICALLY says the number of time Wladimir Klitschko clinched, qualifies as 'excessive'. If you can't, then by your own standard, Klitschko didn't foul or use illegal moves, since you, by using the very same reasoning, don't want to accept that Povetkin fouled and used illegal moves, despite him blatantly ducking below the belt and charging in head first.
     
  8. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    What happened to price against povetkin?
    What happened to povetkin against aj?
     
  9. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't pretend to be an expert on the technical side of boxing.....

    But if you're looking to counter punch, you're not looking to throw your own jab as much as you're looking to counter your opponents correct?
     
  10. dinovelvet

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    Find me footage /evidence of Povetkin fouling Klitschko? Produce a single news link that outs Povetkin for boxing illegally?
     
  11. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Price has a glass jaw and has no stamina. Not sure what your point is. I'm talking about Povetkin. He was gassing by 4 rounds against Price (without taking any body jabs). Just happened that Price was also gassing too.
     
  12. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Got ya, so Povetkin gasses after 4, another useless opponent for Anthony Joshua. Do you give Joshua any credit for any 1 of his victories?
     
  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    PROVE what Wladimir Klitschko did there, was illegal!
     
  14. Brighton bomber

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    They won't find any footage because it doesn't exist. They'll say he came in charging with his head too low, like that's some how illegal or that he buried his head into his chest again pretending it's illegal.

    Povetkin fought like he has always done, come in low and try to pop up and throw, but Wlad clinched him to death to prevent this. Wlad's lack of an uppercut, non existent inside game and poor lateral movement meant he couldn't get out of the way and so had to use excessive holding to deal with Povetkin.
     
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