Was Anthony Joshua's lack of an above average jab, exposed against Povetkin & Joseph Parker?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Luis Fernando, Oct 27, 2018.


Was Joshua's jab exposed to be average at best, for a super heavyweight, in his last 2 bouts?

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  1. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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  2. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Obviously no such boxer exists, every fighter bends the rules when it suits them. But that doesn't make it right when a fighter does it, especially in the example of Wlad who did so excessively vs Povetkin.

    I don't blame Wlad for doing what he did, he lacks the skill set to cope with that kind of pressure any other way. He did what he had to do, to win. The onus is on the ref to enforce the rules not the fighters.

    But I won't pretend that, that performance by Wlad was one to be admired. That should of been a signature win for Wlad, a clear career highlight but instead it's seen as another stain on his record, an area of criticism and derision.
     
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  3. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well, that point of yours, only really further reinforces my point. Which is that pretty much every boxer fouls. Does that mean it's correct and I condone it? ABSOLUTELY NOT! However, it's something I've come to accept and it's something I am objective over, where I provide criticism, credit or a lack of, to every boxer equally and don't turn a blind eye on some boxers who foul whilst only criticizing other boxers who foul.

    The other poster I've been responding to, is constantly criticizing Wladimir Klitschko for being a fouler. Whilst turning a blind eye on other boxers who foul, such as Anthony Joshua, who they are probably a fan of and also advocate. That poster also never criticizes the likes of Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder, who also foul, as much as criticizing Wladimir Klitshcko.

    I guess it's okay to criticize some boxers who foul, whilst advocating and turning a blind eye on other foulers in boxing?

    If one is an Anthony Joshua fan, and they are critical of Wladimir Klitschko being a fouler. Then are they also ready to accept, and also criticize Anthony Joshua for being a fouler too, when he held and hit Wladimir Klitschko with the uppercut in the 11th round, which led to the knockdown? And when Joshua held and threw uppercuts on Joseph Parker multiple times during their bout?

    Or how about Tyson Fury using dirty tactics against Steve Cunningham, especially the knockout punch which was illegal where he literally held him?

    Or how about Deontay Wilder's windmills that land on the back of the head of his opponents and are accepted as legitimate stoppages / punches / knockdowns?

    See, the point here, is that we have to be objective and be critical of EVERY boxer when they foul. Rather than effeminately whining and moaning over one boxer fouling.
     
  4. lloydturnip

    lloydturnip Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua doesn't have controlling jab .not like Holmes or even Bruno or the truth Williams .He has a jab but it doesn't snap out breaking the rhythm of his opponents.He never had one in the amateurs just the way he is I suppose
     
  5. SmackDaBum

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    At least he has natural power behind it though.
     
  6. Brighton bomber

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    While I agree, I think there are degrees to which a fighter cheats and this should be recognised. For example when Mayweather uses his elbow the push a fighter off he's doing it to create space, not inflict damage and sometimes it's done to prevent the other fighter from illegally clinching him.

    Compare that to Golota using Bowe's nutsack as a speed bag and there's an obvious difference. Both are cheating, but one is clearly worse than the other.

    In regards to Wlad, other fighters clinch but they do it less. Wlad has clinched less in other fights and he doesn't get as much criticism for that fight as the Povetkin fight. The amount of clinching vs Povetkin was excessive even for Wlad. But again it's the refs job to enforce the rules and obviously no amount of clinching Wlad does is as bad as a fighter hitting low or using head butts.
     
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  7. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joshua has very minimal looking power in his jabs. They lack the snap, stiffness and penetration of the very elite jabbers in boxing. He also lacks the ability to control fights with his jabs, the way the elite jabbers are able to.

    These are down to tactical and technical flaws. Tactically, his problem is that he doesn't feint or probe enough. He is not very good at setting his jab up properly by being deceptive with his feints, probes and footwork.

    Technically, he doesn't stiffen his arm / hands enough and properly upon impact.
     
  8. SmackDaBum

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    Joshua has natural raw power due to his body construction. He could be a much better technican or a sharper puncher but he is the definition of "heavy handed" which include his jab.
     
  9. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    Well Luis is tearing Joshua apart here piece by piece. This below average jab of Joshua's which carries no power is a terrible jab just as Luis states. What i find strange is how lucky Joshua must be to keep winning fights and world titles by working off his jab, that awful jab that all trainers and people from within the sport call a "Good Jab".