Was Archie Moore one of the founders of the “Lead Right”

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  1. SuzieQ49

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    Watch at 6:05, Moore throws a beautiful lead right against Harold Johnson. Marciano comments “look at Moore lead with the right, you’re not supposed to do that.”

    Now a days, the lead right is one of the most popular trademark punches for ATG fighters. Bernard Hopkins, Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather became masters of this punch.

    Was Moore the “founder” of this punch?

    Can anyone find an sequence of film earlier than 1954 of an orthodox fighter throwing a lead right hand like Archie Moore did here?
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Possible Fitzsimmons....because of his immense power for his size, and his era spanned the crude pre-1890's when fighters just threw their best punch repetitively, to an era when more 'scientific' boxing was coming on the scene.
     
  4. SuzieQ49

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    I’m looking for film evidence. Not trying to degrade your choice, I just doubt there is filmed evidence to back it up
     
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    Ali was pretty good with the lead right.
     
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  7. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great info! I was thinking along those lines.....but just could not remember Gans name.
     
  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Pretty sure punching was around long before Archie Moore.
     
  9. Longhhorn71

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    No problem compadre. I was just trying to get the thought process going about those
    fighters "back when".
     
  10. Pat M

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    Moore's right hand lead at 6:05 was done with his shoulders almost squared, he used his deltoid to cover his jaw while throwing the punch, then moved to his right after throwing the punch. There probably wouldn't have been a lot of power on the right hand because he was squared, but it might have been a punch that his opponent wouldn't "see." Moore negated his chances of being hit with a counter by covering his chin with his shoulder and moving to the right.

    As SuzieQ49 mentioned, the lead right is more common today, maybe that is a result of mitt work? We occasionally work with our boxers in the gym on lead right hands while holding the mitts. When we do we have them try to "sell" us on the jab and then sneak in a lead right. When they "sell" us on the jab they can push off the right foot to slide the left foot forward to make it look like a jab, that helps give them power on the lead right. It's still usually easier to see the right hand than the jab, and there is risk involved, but when it works it's nice.

    I can remember reading about the Quarry - Lyle fight. The article mentioned that Quarry hit Lyle with some lead rights and the writer commented that the lead right is "only used by beginners and very experienced boxers."
     
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    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Awesome post
     
  12. SuzieQ49

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    Seamus posted a clip of gans throwing a right hand. You would classify that as a lead right hand?
     
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    IMO, it was a lead right. It looks like Gans did a good job of disguising his lead right. When he threw it, he let his right foot come off the floor like a pitcher throwing a baseball, then he "walked" with his right foot, leaving him squared up. If he had left his right foot down, pivoting as though he was "stepping on a bug/cigarette," then leaving himself with his left shoulder toward his opponent and ready to throw another punch it would have been a nice sequence. But, Gans apparently did a good job of "selling" the left hand to his opponent to set up the lead right.
     
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    There is the first example of a lead right.

    Besides Moore and Gans, does anyone have any other sequences on film of lead rights pre 1960?
     
  15. SuzieQ49

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    One of the best...but the thread is asking the earliest clip of a lead right you can find