Was Bernard Hopkins Ever THEE Guy?

You really are in denial hmb. It was hopkins that decided against calzaghe years ago when calzaghe agreed to face him in america. You must know this? Maybe this is just your denial?
Also to say calzaghe waited till they were beaten is an odd thing to say as hopkins lost his debut dummy. But calzaghe was the first to beat hopkinns through his world class lhw days. Live with it. Also with that what you said about after they were beaten. What does that say for dawson, bradley, ward etc. Hmb a poster in denial atsch

 

most of these people are just trying to be nice, behind his back theyre all laughing at the joke he was.

 

tell me. What wins did hopkins have over fighters his own size as good as undefeated kessler and eubank? Calzaghe has both and a win over hopkins. Don't try and say tito. He was a former ww who had been put down 7 times that I know of. Tarver? I don't think so

:yep

 

Jones jr in first fight & Dawson OK Taylor NEVER legitimately beat Nard

 

no one is telling a lie that Calzaghe isn't pretty decent. However you are telling a pack of lies! Why such a VAST discrepancy between your post and the posts you reply to? Ergo -

- calzaghe defended the wbo title, a minor one like the IBO of today, for ten years. That's NOT a 'world' level accomplishment, its largely the equivalent of defending the commonwealth and sometimes a national title.

- calzaghe being best smw is subjective, only really arguable once he'd gained the ability to beat Kessler, and he only proved that he gained that ability by his last fight smw fight, and nothing after it. At the very most, you can argue successfully that he was the best smw for 45 minutes of his 10 years in title fights.

-lacy IS ****, beating him simply proved that joe wasn't crap - though I agree Joe did it well.

- beat Hopkins of age 43. no one can claim that's great but its good. Others did it better but no one calls them great.

- Joe wasn't a 2 weight title champion, it was a 'Ring title' . And of the title he DID have, it was a minor league for at least 18 of his 21 defences. So the claim of 2 weight champ is flimsy at best.

 

I would add that I agree that Joe was a pretty decent opponent, I certainly wouldn't lie about his ability. I would rate him B+, or even A- by the time he improved to be able to beat kessler, so you can see I rate him close to elite.

and yes he still edged out 43 year old Bhop, damn good effort there.

 

He was the WBO CHAMPION of the WORLD therefore he WAS WORLD CHAMPION.

He was also the best SMW in the world. That is the general consensus which was backed up by him beating the top rated guys like Lacy and Kessler.

He was a World Champion and no one was saying he was **** going into the fight.

Hopkins was Ring magazine Champion and p4p top 5.

The difference is?

 

wbo WAS little league back then, so yes he was a little league world champion for nearly all his smw reign.

and yes he did eventually gain the ability to beat Kessler, by the time of his last fight. There is not one iota of evidence to suggest he could have done it before he reached his late prime.

lacy was ****. a banger with balls, nothing more. though it was a step for joe right near the end of his reign, I totally agree with you there.

but no title from a governing body.

ones from a magazine.

 

Okay then so Calzaghe was SMW Champ for many years, was the best SMW of his time according to most, held the WBO, IBF, WBC, WBA, Ring Magazine SMW and Ring Magazine LHW belts, beat p4p top 5, Ring Magazine LHW Champion Bernard Hopkins, was rated as high as #3 p4p by Ring Magazine and retired undefeated.

 

trying hard to diminish Hopkins wins while at the same time trying to build up calzaghes wins to more than what they were simply will not cut it. Hopkins is and was the greater fighter. The proof is in the pudding, Hopkins IS Calzaghes best win, Calzaghe would not have been have been Hopkins best win.

its correct when Calzaghe is called Prince of Wales, because he spent most of his career fighting there.

Calzaghe is another Sven Ottke but with slightly more fans

 

I'm not trying to diminish anything. I asked you a question below, which you have failed to answer
What win would hopkins have better than calzaghe? Tito isn't and tarver isn't. Also to say hopkins is his best win is just your opinion
Now answer the question below

Also only around half of calzaghes title fights were in wales, so you made a mistake there atsch
Sven ottke has a smw resume better than any smw active today and calzaghe has a resume greater than him. So not a bad thing

 

pretty much, good one, bub.

 

Why do I keep on hearing how Bernard is this pure boxer???

He has the most horrible style ever , left jab , right hand , head butt , hold and repeat.

Watch any of his middleweight reign , really.


Got lucky that he reigned in a weak era.

 

All night long

 

It's the truth motherfu*ker! Hurts don't it:happy