Was Berto ever an elite welterweight?

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At any point of his career?
    I remember the time when this guy was extremely overrated despite being dropped a few times by journeymen. Some of his fans were saying he would give trouble to Pacquiao or Mayweather. :rofl

    Then he lost his title to another overrated fighter in Ortiz (who was stopped by Maidana and even Hosejito Lopes!!!)

    Got dropped and beaten by feather-fisted former featherweight Robert Guerrero, and then KO'd by jorneyman Soto-Carass (who was ko'd by Maidana and lost to Alfonso Gomes).

    Is Berto top-20 WW now? of course, no. Was he at any point of his career? Now that's a question.
     
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  2. christo

    christo Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Never, nunca, nein, nyet. Hypejob and housefighter.
     
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  3. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course he was. Before he lost to Ortiz he was undefeated and had all the raw tools. Sure everyone knew he had flaws but no one knew he was this bad until Ortiz exposed him.
     
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  4. Ripper11

    Ripper11 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was before the Ortiz fight when he still had some of his confidence. Also the WW division was pretty weak then
     
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  5. HitBattousai

    HitBattousai Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No. Berto could have been, but he never developed his craft at all. He's a brawler with speed(and decent heart), doesn't have defense, doesn't have much workrate, not a great chin, terrible game planning. He got by with his talent against handpicked opposition and when he stepped up he was exposed.
     
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  6. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

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    He had more confidence back then. But he was always a bit top heavy and couldn't handle guys who isn't afraid of him. He's also known to gas after the 8th round.

    Collazo was probably the first guy who exposed his weaknesses. He was a good fighter, but good match-making made him look better than he really was.
     
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  7. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As an amateur.
     
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  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Yes he was.

    Regardless of what happened afterward, there was a time where Berto was a top 3 WW, top 5 at worst.

    Being top 5 in a division means you are elite in that division. There is no historical context when the question is "was Berto ever an elite WW?"

    He was never elite in the sense of comparing to other eras, but to me at least that is not what this thread is about.
     
    Nonito Smoak, Jul 28, 2013
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  9. TheGOAT

    TheGOAT The Champ is Here ! banned

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    no, NEVER

    Well maybe when he attempted he shoulder roll. EPIC FAIL
     
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  10. yingyang

    yingyang Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Berto is a Bum overhyped PED user.
     
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  11. MannySteward

    MannySteward Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you saying that if you are the best of a bad bunch then that makes you elite?
     
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  12. shenmue

    shenmue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Once a good fighter, who held an ABC title, but he was never elite. He lost or struggled with any decent fighter he faced.
     
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  13. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Undefeated doesn't mean elite.

    Berto was never elite...
     
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  14. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :good
     
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  15. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    Ranked, maybe. Elite? No way, Jose.
     
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