Was Bowe's performance in Holyfield I the best hw display since Ali & Frazier's day?

In which fights wasn't he? Holyfield landed lots of jabs on him even in the first fight. You can do your whole song and dance about how the Golota fights shouldn't count, but Holyfield and Golota were Bowe's two best opponents and neither had much trouble landing on him.

I mean, does he slip or duck even ****ing one of Holyfield's punches? What he does effectively is that he counters even though he gets hit. His advantage in size, strength and power let's him get away with this. But it's not a tactic I would recommend against for example Tyson or Lewis.

 

Holyfield was a very good boxer, but not on the Ali/Holmes level. A 42-year old Holmes got the better of him in boxing terms. Holyfield won that fight by his vastly superior workrate, but Holmes made him look really bad at times.

Holyfield never put on a boxing clinic against a skilled opponent who brought his best to the table. So he was by no means a master boxer.

 

In a word, NO.

 

I thought so, you havent seen any of Bowes other fights. Bowe didnt just walk in with no defense, he could slip punches, catch them on his gloves, and fight well on the inside and outside. Like Holyfield he was a boxer puncher, not a pure boxer. They basically fought the same type of style. Bowe got hit a little more because he was willing to mix it up and wanted to be exciting and not dance around the ring or hold like a Lennox Lewis or Wladmir Klitschko, who cant, or couldnt fight a lick inside. You say that detracts from his legacy, I applaud it, makes for exciting fights as far as I am concerned. Id rather watch Bowe Holyfield over Holyfield Lewis anyday, Lewis looked like a sissy running from a smaller man the way he did in that fight.
Holyfield wasnt a master boxer? Undisputed cruiserweight champion, undisputed heavyweight champion?? He won all his fights slugging right? Holyfield was not a pure boxer, he was boxer puncher, thats a style in its own, same as pure boxer, or slugger/brawler.

 

Take a drink every time Bowe lands a right uppercut in that '92 fight.

Take a drink every time Holyfield throws a left hook.

You'll be seeing pink elephants before the 4th

 

Thats because Ali and Holmes were pure boxers, they liked to operate and keep the fight on the outside, and thats why a lot of Holmes fights put you to sleep.

 

yes..:dead

 

It wasn't the best HW display in November 1992

 

Aren't you a fan of a nice long left jab, movement, right hands and combinations?

 

I have to disagree here. To me, Holyfield was a master boxer, and to me has one of the more aesthetically pleasing styles. You have to remember that he was fighting uphill in every one of his bouts in the 90's, and fighting father time as well. As for the boxing clinic against a skilled opponent, does a 22-1 favorite in Tyson suffice, when Holyfield was 34 himself?

 

For the most part fighting opponents with a huge weight advantage as well.

 

Movement combinations good jab yes. No infighting jab right hand only a lot of tieing up no!

 

It don't feel he qualifies as a master boxer. He wasn't elusive enough for one thing. But he was a very good boxer. Against Tyson he fought a very smart fight, but it was only when Tyson gassed that he began to take over. It was not like Douglas who put on a clinic and dominated Tyson from round one.

A master boxer wouldn't have the trouble he had with Cooper and old Holmes. That's how I see it.

 

That Holyfield accomplished a lot doesn't make him into a master boxer. As for Bowe, the only two good opponents I've seen him against is Holyfield and Golota, guess why...

I've seen Bowe KO some tomato cans as well, but I don't read too much into perfomances like that. The bottom line is that just about everyone here except you agrees that Bowe was easy to hit, and he never proved otherwise. Yes, he was exciting to watch, but that doesn't mean he didn't have flaws, rather it is partly because of it.

He met only one big, hard punching fighter with skills in his career and was beaten up both times. Strange coincidence that he blatantly ducked the opponent with the greatest combination of skill and power at the time.