Was Butterbean any worse than some of the contenders today?

Foolish.

I do know that all the aforementioned fighters fought much better opposition than Travis Walker and Chazz Witherspoon. It's far to early to even be discussing Cristobal Arreola as a great fighter in his own right, let alone pitting him against the talent pool of the 70s. You seem to think he'd be competitive in that era because of his 6'3 frame and punch resistance. He has fought one good Heavyweight in his career so far, and he lost a shut out before being stopped late. Why would you even make the comparison. Help me out.

Sonny Liston and Floyd Patterson were proven fighters, and Muhammad Ali would clean out his division on three separate occasions during his career.

Perhaps because Frazier was already considered slightly shopworn, and had already made succcess title defenses of his Heavyweight championship, including one over a good version of Ali.

Arreola hasn't even earned a titlein an era full of bull**** Alphabet belts. He hasn't fought any good fighters to date, with the exception of Vitali, who made him look like a sparring partner. You're comparing this guy to Frazier. Why do it. Why do it.

It doesn't help matters that the two dominant Heavyweights are reluctant to fight one another, but the rest of the division is still poor regardless. These are my own observations when I watch fighters like Povetkin, Chagaev, and Valuev fight in slow motion. There is nothing impressive about them at all.

Foreman was throwing wide hooks for 8 rounds in a very hot foreign country in Zaire. The same would have happened to Waldimir Klitschko, if he actually dared to throw more than 10 shots a round that weren't jabs. You even had the cheek to mention the exhaustion of Ali in Manilla, after fighting 14 frenetic rounds? You're actually comparing that to the slow paced fights of the Klitschko's who fight in Vegas and Germany? Nice going, Pugilistic. :good

 

Circular argument, with a guy who forgets the past and substitutes it with an idealistic fantasy.

"Slow paced fights of the Klitschkos" - 80 punches per round, average, for 10 rounds. You're not happy just substituting the past, you substitute the present too.

 

As an American I'm sad to say I agree with this. Today's athlete is a whole different animal.

 

In comparison to Ali in Manilla, and Foreman in Zaire, the Klitschko's fight relatively slow paced. Exactly.

 

You people are INSANE if you think that FRAUD Eric "Butterbean" Esch could beat ANYBODY above the tomato can level. Hell, he probably didn't even beat have of those guys legitimately.

"Butterbean" is a JOKE, a media creation, a complete con job. ANY fighter above low level journeymen would make short work of him.

 

**** Butterbean! A lot of these current havys have olympic medals and track records. The bean is a glorfied tuffman fighter.

 

Talking out your arse.

Can you prove any of this to me? Can you show me that universally such techniques are being used in boxing?
You cant...because you are making it up. Your basing you opinion on some fantasy based on what you saw Ivan Drago train like.

Have you ever been to a boxing gym in thailand?...I have..they barely have a working tolilet let alone banks of computers analysing each and every movement that their fighters make..This just happens to be one of the most prolific combat sport athlete producing nations ever.

Do you think Manny Pacquiao was hooked up to a treadmill testing his VO2Max when he went for his first world title?

The 3rd world has produced many, many world champs and they continue to have fighters in the upper tiers of boxing.
Do you think Joseph Agbeko, Marvin Sonsona or Kassim Ouma have access to such technologies? Doesnt stop them from being world championship material.

Obviously some fighters use these..And more probably should if they are available..But most just get where they do with old fashioned hard work and their god given talents ..In the end its just two men a ring and thats whats its always been.

I know a fighter who used to train at the AIS...the place in Australia where such technologies are used..They use this kind of stuff down there he says but it just something to add to the training they already to..The main emphasis is still put on honing skills, training hard to condition and practicing them in the ring. Sounds pretty familiar that, like what they have been doing for the last 50 years.

So you are comparing running down a field to the short, quick movements around a boxing ring...Comparing passing a ball to punching someone and lifting a weight over your head to the strength and balance needed in boxing?

Who is the ignorant one again?

Thats an extremely ******ed comparison...ANYONE who has boxed before knows it aint that simple..You are getting punched in the head whilst you are doing all this.

Again bull****.

Pure speculation, you have no idea if they could or not because they havent.

Calzaghe and Mayweather barely go 3 fights without injuring their hands.

De La Hoya, Jermain Taylor, Tsyzu and Wlad nearly collapse if they are pushed to hard over the 12 round distance.


A lot of fighters today would do fine over 15..They would change their training and tactics to deal with it. But the fact is fighters of the past are proven in this regard and fighters of today are not.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Once again you show your knowledge of boxing past a month ago is laughable and once again you make you laugh with your ignorance.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, so just stop embarrassing yourself.

You seek to oversimply a 100 years of boxing into something that fits your argument without truly analysing the difference between boxing and other sports, the changes in boxing over time or even bothering to research simple facts about the sport.

I suggest you go back to the drawing board mate...you will look like less of a dick that next time.

"Ricky Hatton would spark Kid Gavilan inside 5 rounds"

 

Larry Holmes schooled his ass at age 52. 52!

 

What are Arreola and Peter? Not Olympic medallists!

 

Exactly. These people are just trolling. Arreola or Peter would knock Esch out cold, early. Hell, guys a level BELOW that, that THEY'VE beaten on the way up, would destroy him too!atsch

 

What about the Bean vs. Zelenoff

 

Butterbean is a joke.

Can't say that I agree with Arreola being "huge" compared to the 1970's heavyweights. The man used to weight 178 pounds while in his 20's as an amateur boxer, and was hardly "ripped" at 229.

He is no bigger than someone like Buster Mathis (a fat 6'3 255 pound whale) who was a fringe contender in the 1960's and 70's, and who in my opinion was far more skilled and talented than Arreola ever will be.