Was Calzaghe avoided?

I knew what you meant & I disagree.

You wont because I refuse to discuss this topic with Calzaghe fanatics anymore. I like to see a progression in the things I do in life & no progress is ever made with you people. I get berated for my detailed, insightful posts so why should I continue to make them?

Like I said previously, you revere Joe how you will. I'm pretty confident what stance the historians will take.

 

exactly roy jones had already campeigned successfully at middlewieght, super middle and was already in the stages at light heavy
now im not saying that calzaghe deserved a shot becuase to be honest he was an unkown even before the eubank fight commentators were wondering how he will perform. he had beaten already budding prospect deleney and only one fight in the distance. and he totally outhustled eubank to the end.

now roy jones is already way into light heavywieght dominance he would not go down in wieght to fight a title holder.

if roy was to fight in at 168 he had around 5 fights he could make out of who was left in the division.

• a young prospect called calzaghe
• thulani malinga (who he had fought and beaten)
• richie woodhall
• charles brewer
• frankie liles
• lindell holmes
• chris eubank

i actually believe that eubank-jones was on the cards but after he lost to calzaghe the deal was off

no one was left that made any financial sense.

roy could of beaten all of them but these guys were gonna order the hell out of him for money to fight them...or in other words hand over the belt.

it was pointless anyways he had moved up to light heavy and calzaghe was not gonna fight at lightheavy.

 

why is it legacy making that he fights in america it's not that special.

for **** sake he's the world champion the world should come to him

 

the only great supermiddleiweght i can think of is jones.
hopkins wasnt goign to go up in wieght.

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and frankie liles also a great american supermiddlewieght beat tim littles..argueably his best win in the uk. alos fightign in germany for alot of that.

 

Jones, Ottke, Hopkins, they all avoided him. It’s fair to say that the insiders already knew what was Calzaghe capable of on high level even before he met Lacy or Kessler so they chose not to fight him for their own good. Calzaghe-Mitchell was a good indication (of course it was in 2003).

On the other hand, injury or not injury, the Calzaghe-Johnson fight has never happened. Joe never stepped up to LHW. And the only time he left the borders of the UK in a championship fight (besides 2001) was a relative safe defense against Veit (2nd fight) where Universum won the bid so it’s fair to say that Calzaghe avoided Ottke as well as he avoided Joe.

The main thing is that when we criticize Joe we should be aware that he wanted to fight Hopkins and Jones BADLY but he wasn't a good marketable fight in the U.S. at the time so unfortunately it didn't happen. But better late than ever, he can still fight a good Hopkins in April and an over the hill Jones in September to finish his legacy with one great historical and a less interesting historical battle.

So in the end he could get the fights he always wanted. And that's because he took the risk against Lacy and Kessler even if the experts said that the other one supposed to win and big respect for him for that. He deserves the biggest fights with the biggest paydays.

 

Realalistic thought process'es help when discussing topics.

Was Calzaghe dodged? Yes.

Does that mean he couldnt be beaten? No.

Did certain fighters see a clash with Joe as dangerous and a potential nail in their coffin? Certainly.

Look at it from a top fighter's view, say late 1990's
Look, if im a established elite fighter intrested in amasing as much money for as little effort possible, Im not going to search out Joe in 98. He's beat Eubank, he aint gonna bring me a large purse and I dont need him.

In 2002, im not gonna fight this guy. He's legit talanted, got a good chin and in his prime. Frank Warren sees him as a long term meal ticket, and I can crow to Loveable Larry Merchant that im a bad ass mother and I dont need to fight a no-one champ, even though outside of the U.S. fanboy punters( only a portion of the knowledgeable American fanbase, but still a large group) im seen as a viable contender with credibility.

So come 2008, after Joe is seen worldwide in front of 50,000 fans winning ina classly manner against the no.1 contender, and him showing he may well be the most talented upper weight fighter around, Im gonna ***** about trying to get a final payday.

Simple really.

 

Well Calzaghe would not have had to worry about a bad decision b/c Roy would of knocked his silly ass out. If you doubt who was ducking who. Look at his promoter. Look at the trends.. Same ****.

 

Ok so Calzaghe was pursuing these great fighters of that era...This **** is comedy. JOE CALZAGHE WAS A CORNBALL. A UK only fighter. HAD A ***** ASS PROMOTER. Nobody scouted him out, not even the BEST trainers over here etc etc. He did not make any noise. He looked bad in fights. He was sloppy as hell. He went to war with average schmoes. He had a hometown ref to insure his 0 unless you knock him out. Same as Hatton. Same ****..

 

Haha, proof of the fanboy mentality. Too narrowminded to look at the world of boxing, so gets told what to say by equally vacant interlects.

 

nobody ducked calzaghe. you can place the blame on calzaghe not getting the big fights on the shoulders of one man.....frank warren.

 

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Joe never got any help from refs or judges so that's complete bollocks. The only one thats half debatable is Reid, and even Robin said he lost the fight

Please show me where a referee or judge has cost somebody a fight

 

Even though I respect his skills, Hopkins certainly did dodge Calzaghe, its imperical fact. He avoided him, claiming repeatedly he was worth more, was offered exactly what he demanded to fight, then backed out.

 

Just after Joe Calzaghe gave Jeff Lacy a boxing lesson, Roy Jones said on a BBC interview that he didn't fight Calzaghe because he had "a belt to protect." That should make it clear who was avoiding who.

 

It's worse than that

I'm pretty sure he agreed in principal, before demanding twice the cash

 

Hopkins obivously ducked Calzaghe if the fight was agreed for 3mil and then he asked for 6 out of nowhere that is a fact so noone can deny it.

to be fair it would've been a stupid fight to accept for Hopkins. Not worth the 3 million