Was Canelo basically a prospect when he fought Floyd?

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  1. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    I've seen Canelo's most ardent fans claim a draw was a legit scorecard.

    Thats the level of delusion we're dealing with when trying to engage with these lunatics.
     
  2. GeorgeDeservesAMedal

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    He sure as hell wasn't at his best or prime. Maybe not “green” but he was NOT fully developed as a boxer.

    The Canelo of today at 160 kills Mayweather.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good to see someone actually knows how to score this match correctly. Canelo won 3 rounds minimum 5 maximum. If you think Floyd won every round you don't know how to score a boxing match.
     
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  4. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alvarez was a rising prospect who bit off more then he could chew & desperately wanted the Floyd fight @ 152lbs.

    Floyd schooled him & again a prize fighter although a young one ... refused to go out on his shield even though he knew he was losing the fight & no way he wins the fight on score cards. Just didn’t want to finish the night on his back or on his face Hatton style.

    his game plan was not working the pup was playing checkers.

    I’d be interesting to see if Floyd could still school him or is he just simply too old now?

    Floyd would demand 154
    Canelo wouldn’t do it now though he is rich.

    160 Canelo would prolly be risky for Floyd at this age.
     
  5. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    So we need a 160lb version of a post drugs test failing superstar to beat the already too small for 154 Mayweather? OK then...
     
  6. DoubleJab666

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    Mayweather was a post-peak 36 years old with hands made out of balsa wood, fighting at the very upper limit of the weights he competed in, against a naturally bigger athlete in his physical prime, with more than 40 professional bouts under his belt and world titles to his name.

    And the fight wasn't even close. Canelo wasn't a prospect and he got schooled. Has he improved since then? Of course. But enough to reverse a schooling into a win? No.
     
  7. Hanz Cholo

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    he was a champion & his best win on his record was Trout.

    who was a belt holder but cmon man Trout to Mayweather is quite a jump.

    not green experienced in fights just not at the level he needed to give him his best chance against money may.

    it was a chance & he took it though so respect & credit to the kid just too much for him.
     
  8. SpeedKills

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    Young and inexperienced kid with an inflated ego from fighting weak opp. It wasn’t to prove a point, he fancied himself a slick, fast boxer puncher. He learned after Floyd to impose more his natural strength. But he was falling into the habit again slightly before meeting Golovkin. He only hit his prime after that fight i.e Golovkin II.
     
  9. Carl Weathers

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    Watch the fight closely and you can see in his face that Canelo looked mentally beaten after the first few rounds. The face doesn't lie.
     
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  10. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Trout was coming off a win over a well established Cotto in enemy territory. I think a victory over him would have signaled that Canelo was clearly a world class fighter, at any rate.
     
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  11. Serge

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    You can argue that he was pre-prime but a 43 fight ''prospect'' who'd 'beaten' seven former, current or future world champions? To be fair, you can also argue that said world champions were old and past their prime, and that ''prime'' Clenelo was obviously artificially enhanced by PEDs, but as we all know feasting on the bones of old men and opponents who are way past they prime has been as much as a recurring theme with Clenelo throughout his career as controversial decisions ever so conveniently going his way all the time have so nothing new there.


    I think Canelo's prime was post peeing dirty for PEDs aka Clenelo aka Hulknelo.

    Floyd takes his ass to slick school 100 times out of 100.
     
  12. Pimp C

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    Canelo had just as many fights as PBF did back then dummy he had over 40 fights and was the unified champ at 154 and a top 10 ranked P4P fighter. By that fact alone you can't be a prospect when you're the champ dumbass. Learn the sport before posting nonsense like this troll.
     
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  13. Jackman65

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    Canelo wasn’t a prospect when he fought Floyd. He was pretty experienced and the fight was far from a shutout as revisionist Floyd fans would have you think. I think Canelo was still improving as a fighter and his gastank wasn’t as good in those days as it is today. Maybe he was drained and there was an unwritten hydration clause we don’t know about. Either way, Floyd’s win was legit.

    Canelo is fighting at a much higher level these days. The Canelo of today would have won the fight (assuming he could boil down to the weight), IMO against that version of Floyd. Canelo has matured, improved and is a much smarter fighter these days with noticeably better stamina. Floyd benefitted from Canelo’s maturity level at the time but it would not be fair to call Canelo a green fighter because he had considerable pro experience at the time.
     
  14. Hanz Cholo

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    Yeah, but no.
    Reality ain’t always what we think it seems to be.

    reality is cotto was past his best.
    Trout is a good fighter just levels below elite.
    & yes canelo had a lot of fights under his belt. But vs sub par competition by comparison...
    not against great / elite level fighters like now.

    the reality is Mayweather was too much for the kid.

    hell even Floyd after the fight said “Experience played a major role in the fight ... you had a young up & coming Champion vs a legendary champion.””

    @ 5 mins & again at 13min 12 sec
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  15. Drew101

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    You'll note I said "world class", and not "elite".

    Trout was world class, and, while past his best, Cotto was still world class, too at that point. Canelo improved since that fight, sure...But he was still a legitimate opponent and test for FMJ going into that fight. I find Mayweather detractors tend to dismiss this result outright simply because Canelo had yet to reach his peak; but I think Canelo boxed pretty well in defeat. Mayweather was just on point.
     
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