Was Carlos Monzon overrated?

I agree wth much of this .. I think the division has had a terrific jump post Hagler .. Toney, Jones, Nunn, Hopkins were big, strong, fast and highly talented fighters .. Andre Ward as well ..

 

I don't think Monzon faced anything less than Hagler. Hearns and SRL were more dangerous than Monzon's little men Napoles and Griffith imo but Valdez is probably better than any Middleweight Hagler took on.

 

There are tens of arguments that could be had on a fantasy head-to-head matchup, involving Monzon (and any other of the Greats in history). But, I have always considered that there was a little more to as.sessing an historical rating of a Boxer, than just speculating on an entire crop of other boxers, from a different era, being better head-to-head.

You mention that Monzon didn’t beat any really good Middleweights and then list (from the Ring’s summer of ’92 Top-10) what I can only presume are who you believe were really good Middleweights. One of them is McCallum who, it could be argued, had his best Middleweight outings when he was 35 Years old against a young, prime Toney.

Would I take a 35 Year-old Griffith to beat a 35 Year-old McCallum at Middleweight? Yes, I think I might, and especially over 15 rounds; in the hope that pattern-baldness wouldn’t be a factor.

 

GGG stop Carlos Monzon?

Christ on his cross I've heard it all now

 

Nope, if anything underrated, he's the 2nd best MW of all time IMO behind SRR.

 

It's between Monzon and Greb as the greatest middleweights ever for me.

 

It seems to me like the three most long reigning MW champions had similar reigns in that their name opponents all came from lower weights and that they didn't beat any natural MWs that were considered great (which, in fairness, is a rare occurrence for anyone). And the same thing is kind of happening with Golovkin now.

That always begs the question if the champ is dominant because the opp is weak, or is the opp considered weak because the champ is so dominant? If it's also the case that fighters from lower weight classes can move up and be successful, then at least I personally would be more inclined to lean towards the former.

 

From what I’ve seen on film? Yes

 

Monzon fought plenty of good sized middleweights.

 

My vote is no! If Monzon is overrated I guess just about every guy who is top 5 in their division would also likely be overrated. Hard to overrate guys on this level IMO

 

Yes and I hope we don't go through this **** again ..

 

It's a good caveat, but I've heard it specified a few ways... I've heard it was a 2 round difference and I've heard it as a 4 round difference. It's a fair point, but if it's only a 2 point margin.... are people telling me they have him as the no. 1 ATG MW, and he could be ahead by more than 2 rounds against scrubs and guys will pretty bad records? I don't think that is a good reflection on him personally.

 

That's all you can do...

 

Don't give up hope, there's still time to see the light.

 

Can i ask you a question, do you have something against Latin American fighters seeing as you always downplay Monzon and Chavez?