Was Carnera at his best when he defended against Uzcudun?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Another smear disguised as objective analysis?
    Yeah we're good dog.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I honestly don’t see how anyone can watch the snippet from vitali fighting Chris Arreola fight and then watch Carnera vs Paulino Uzcudun and think the fighters in the newer fight are on some higher echelon!

    Watch the two clips Reznick put up here!

    Seems to me there is an ingrained, outdated opinion (based largely on Bud Schulbergs film about a fraudulent giant champion) where far too much unchallenged personal investment allowed society to convince itself it was true.
     
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  3. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Watch him :13-15 seconds

    He throws an ugly right hand with no body torque or bend of the knees to generate power. He follows it up by just standing there like a sitting duck, then throws an ugly left hand that some might call a left slap. It was telegraphed, wide, and slow.


    Listen, you and I will never agree on carnera. I watch guys like Joshua, Klitschko, Lewis, Bowe, Fury.....these are legitimate good fighters who are suoerheavyweights. Carnera doesn't even compare to these guys in anyway shape or form
     
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  4. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Vitali knocks carnera out whenever he chooses
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Vitali hit hard and was accurate. Durable, brave. A good SHW champion yes. But I don’t see room to ridicule Primo for pure boxing in relation to Vitali. Not if Vitali was that good doing the stuff he did.

    If you don’t like Primo, how can you like a Klitschko? It just seems sacrilege.
     
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  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    You compared carnera to vitali, he would kill carnera
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    The gall of you accusing someone else of not presenting objective analysis regarding Primo Carnera! :risas3: Look, I'm tired of criticizing Primo's many obvious shortcomings, and demonstrating them through fight footage. It's boring and pointless. Your repeated fantasies about Primo as a smart technician who used intelligent footwork, subtle head movement, and sharp punching are so far afield that they're hard to engage seriously and substantively. I'll leave it to SuzieQ.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    That ugly, no-leverage right was probably the most glaring item in the entire clip. The slow, awkward combination at the end stood out as well.
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I compared the level of boxing. It was lower in the Arreola fight than in the Primo fight. And it is obvious.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It's possible both for there to be parity/otherwise in the two clips and for Vitali to be a big favourite head to head.

    The clips are only clips. Clips can show literally anything that actually occurred. And that hasn't been disputed. You are likely violently agreeing here.
     
  11. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    This is some of the worst footage analysis work I have ever seen in boxing.
    And I have seen bad.

    It was a picture perfect right, thrown with balance distribution properly employed throughout the technique. The force of the blow evident in the follow through and the opponents head being snapped back violently. He doesn't fall forward with the punch because he uses proper form and sticks to his boxing stance. He connects it rhythmically with the following check left hook, while maintaining range.

    I, Reznick, find your analysis on this footage to be among the worst I have ever encountered.
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    The right he talking about is the combination at the end.
    Those are the same things.
    You don't seem to even know what you're talking about.
     
  13. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Of course it is possible, but that is not the point.

    Some people claiming that Vitally is on another plane from a technical standpoint, and I'm afraid that simply isn't the case!
     
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  14. McGrain

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    I may have missed it, but was this claimed?

    The claims seemed to be a) the clips look a certain way and b) Vitali would beat Carnera.
     
  15. GOAT Primo Carnera

    GOAT Primo Carnera Member of the PC Fan Club Full Member

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    Which exactly Carnera was not! He had thick arms and should have made better use of it resulting in more applied power. As I said before, its not easy to move a BMI = 30 body around the ring fluidly, so I don´t knock on him for that. But in comparsion, he did not move well. For beeing so tall, he shouldn´t get hit that easily. That definately was a flaw.