was chavez in his prime for whitaker

:rofl :rofl :rofl yeah whitaker toyed with Nelson..except for getting knock down in the 3rd round..:rofl

I say anyone who dares compare Floyd to Pea better watch this fight...Pea tore that body down

Zumas strategy was way off...looking for the quick KO..

Whitaker was EXCELLENT against pressure fighters.

I think the ATG pressure fighters would've lost to him. His style was so suited for them. Guys like Armstrong, Pryor, etc. would've lost to Whitaker IMO.

Someone like Duran , who was a great boxer/fighter, would've had a good chance because he was so versatile and ferocious. That is a 50/50 fight.

 

Doesn't mean he was still in his prime.

 

Don't know why anyone would be shocked at the Whitaker/Nelson scorecards (honestly, I don't remember what they were). Even though Pea clearly won he was on his bike from round 1 on. Judges hate that ****. Still a great performance in my book being able to avoid someone that aggressive for that long is not an easy task.

On to the topic at hand. Doesn't even matter. Pea wasn't at his best weight either. Prime v Prime Pea beats Chavez.

 

that was an uppercut that connected...yeah I saw parts of the fight...
Yeah he did made him look like a fool sometimes..like I said Nelson was looking for the KO and played into Whitakers game

 

Nelson landed the uppercut on Whitaker's shoulder/chest area, and then Whitaker attempted to hold Nelson in a clinch, but Nelson spun out of the way and Whitaker lost his footing and went down. Wouldn't say the punch was what caused the knockdown, so much as Nelson's footwork/strength in getting loose from Whitaker's grip.

 

Yeah, frustrated.

 

Chavez was perhaps a tad past his absolute peak, however still a very good fighter indeed. Whitaker's performance in that particular fight remains one of the very best I've ever witnessed, from any weight class.

 

I really hope that post was a joke!!!

 

No he wasn't and especially at 147lbs were he achieved little. Honestly neither guy was at there best they were both better at 135lbs although I would say Chavez was more passed it then Pea.

 

All the facts above are wrong.

Whitaker fought Chavez three years before De La Hoya did. If anyone softened Chavez up it was Whitaker. Infact, Frankie Randall really done the softening.

 

Yeah, can you also tell us about how Oscar De La Hoya softened Fernando Vargas up for Felix Trinidad? Or how about how Shane Mosley has beaten up Oscar De La Hoya leftovers?

I think I'm gonna watch Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick soften Muhammad Ali up for Joe Frazier.

 

I dont think it was one particular fighter that softened Chavez up, it was more the grind of constantly being in the Gym and preparing to fight as often as he did.......

......Chavez mentioned years later that what lead to his loss to Randall was the schedule that Don King had outlined for him.
King had Chavez fighting to where he hardly took a week off out of training.
Chavez did'nt want to fight Randall in January because he had spent the weeks following his win over Andy Holligan in mid december, celebrating Christmas and New Years.
.....King however convinced Chavez that Randall was a pushover, and an easy fight...he took Randall on in just a couple of weeks training, and the rest is history!

For those of you who are wondering why Chavez was so upset at Don King in the ring after the decision was announced that he had lost to Randall.....alot of you think that Chavez was upset that King did'nt buy off the judges....
The reason why Chavez was upset. was that King had lied to him.
Randall was no pushover, and he was upset that King had matched him with Randall under the circumstances he was under.



Chavez was'nt absolute prime imo against Whitaker, but he was still damn good enough not to make any excuses for his performance.
It would have taken a great fighter to beat Chavez that night, and Pernell nearly but did'nt quite get it done.

Imo, the demise of Chavez as a P4P great fighter came as a result of losing his undefeated streak.
Chavez had been fighting at a very high level for alot of years, and what drove him was his undefeated streak that was nearing 90 fights.

Chavez had wanted to reach 100 fights as an undefeated fighter.
It drove him to be at his best, but when he lost his streak with his loss to Randall, the same drive and the same hunger to prepare and train to be at his absolute best, just was'nt what it once had been.

Like every great fighter before him....the wear and tear, the grind, and his drive to be the best diminished, and thus begun his slow decline as a fighter.

JC Chavez had one hell of a career however. I for one consider myself fortunate to have witnessed it!
Just an unbelievably awesome fighter!

 

Vlade, what did you make of Chavez's comments to Richard Steele after the fight?

 

It was a great post until I got to this part. Sorry, but it is NOTHING else but bias to feel that Chavez didn't CLEARLY lose this fight.

 

Its no secret in this forum that I scored the Chavez-Whitaker fight a draw.....there was no reason for me to have worded it any different.