Was Chocolatito screwed?

CST80 · Mar 25, 2017

PinoyProdigy said: ↑

It was a close but clear win for Sor Rungvisai. Yes, he was missing a lot, but he was also throwing a lot. When you throw that many punches, you're bound to land some, and that's what I saw when I watched the fight. He was landing hard, thudding shots on Chocolatito which I think a lot of people are ignoring because a lot of his shots were also blocked. I don't usually care for what CompuBox tallies up, a lot of times it's inaccurate and you don't score based on who landed more punches in a round anyways. In a lot of the rounds I gave to the Thai, he just edged it out because he was putting in work from the very start of the rounds. Chocolatito, from what I saw, was inactive and ineffective at the start of many rounds and when he finally started throwing punches at like the final minute, I didn't think it was enough to steal the round from the Thai who was working throughout the round. No matter what compubox says, I think if Chocolatito was more active from the very start of many rounds, he would have edged it on my card.

I didn't prefer any of the two guys here, although I do enjoy watching Chocolatito, I don't have many favorite fighters. I thought he beat Cuadras clearly, so I don't think I'm biased. I just saw what I saw.
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You and I saw the match similarly evidently, you summed up how and why I scored the match the way I did perfectly.

Sephiroth Rising 7 · Mar 25, 2017

Yes he did.

He got screwed hard by both the Crouching Tiger and the Hidden Dragon

Neither of them let up for 12 rounds, it was a none stop pounding

OvidsExile · Mar 25, 2017

ElCyclon said: ↑

Again, you seem to be trying to make your case based on Compubox numbers. Those numbers do not count the impact of the punches which IMO favored the Thai fighter.
Either way, there was still another 7 rounds that were pretty close and one that basically counted as 2 rounds for Srisaket by virtue of the KD.

Overall a close fight overall; No domination no robbery.
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The knockdown got wiped out by Rungvisai losing a point for headbuttes. That makes the scoring easy, 8-4. I'm not just using compubox numbers. Anybody with eyes could see that Gonzalez was landing twice as many shots as Rungvisai and was levels above him.

The only way you could score the fight for Rungvisai is if you didn't care how much Gonzalez outlanded him, didn't give a **** about clean punching, defense, or ring generalship and scored it on a single issue: damage. If you thought that Rungvisai did more damage with one punch than Gonzalez did with two, then I can see you giving more rounds to Rungvisai. If you just ignore all the other scoring criteria, I guess you could give it to Rungvisai on that single basis.

Arguably, he might have done more damage to Gonzalez with 284 punches than Gonzalez did to him with 441. I'm not sure if that's true, but he was fresher and less marked up at the end of the fight. This could be because Gonzalez marks or cuts easier. Gonzalez might have looked more tired because he threw a hundred more punches or because he didn't have the same level of conditioning. If you just want to go by that eye test at the end of the fight for who looked worse off, then okay Gonzalez looked worse off.

If you want to score the fight round by round then it was probably anywhere from 9-3 to 7-5 for Gonzalez. Gonzalez outlanded Rungvisai massively in 5 rounds. Rungvisai outlanded him by 2 or 3 punches in rounds 1,2, and 11. The 5th and 7th were close enough to be swing rounds. None of the other rounds were close. The very absolute best you can give Rungvisai in that fight is 5 rounds.

cippi · Mar 25, 2017

i though roman won. he landed more clean combos imo.

roman is better fighter . hes such a small guy i think even at the small weight he is at he should be one lower.

Raybans · Mar 25, 2017

I bet on SSR to win so made some good money but overall I thought Gonzalez just about deserved to get the nod. It certainly wasn't a robbery but I was a bit surprised SSR was given the win.

TheyDontBoxNoMore7 · Mar 25, 2017

No and quite frankly he didn't deserve p4p number 1. He gets touched up too much and his skills aren't transferring up in weight.

Grinder · Mar 25, 2017

CST80 said: ↑

A few points I have to make about the Gonzalez fanboys crying robbery.

Compubox has never been the most reliable source, and that's in matches where the guys are throwing 20-30 shots per rounds, so I highly doubt their accuracy when judging how many clean shots are landed in a literal tornado of punches.

That being said, Roman racked up the lopsided numbers from a handful of one sided rounds, the rest he may have edged by 5 or 6 shots. Most rounds the punches landed varied by around 5 or 10, not 20 or 30.

Now let's look at the quality of the punches, Sor Rungvisai clearly landed the more hurtful thudding punches, even the shots he landed on the arms of Roman looked like they hurt, and when you see a guy coming forward driving a straight left through the guard and landing uppercuts and hooks to the body, repeatedly, one at a time, they make more of an impression than the little flurries Roman did attempting to steal back a lot of the rounds he was losing in, or his weak jabs.

So you get rounds where one guy lands a ****load of pitty pats, and yes at Super Flyweight Roman isn't all that heavy handed, or a guy that's literally driving Roman back a few inches with every clean shot that lands. Which shots count for more? Roman's may have been cleaner and more accurate, but Sor Rungvisai's did more damage, wherever they landed.

Now onto the robbery claims, who in the hell would it benefit if Chocolatito lost? Certainly not HBO, they don't want one of their budding superstars they're shoving down everyone's throats taking a loss, they had a Gonzalez-Inoue superfight that they've been priming us up for and slowly building towards. Or a profitable rematch with either Estrada or Cuadras, or both.

I highly doubt they were getting payback in some way for the Cuadras and Estrada results, neither of them were clear cut robberies, if a robbery at all, and I doubt Cuadras and Estrada backers or fans hold much sway in Vegas. Also like I said before why derail rematches with both to hand the belt to a relative unknown?

I also highly doubt anyone wanted to see the P4P Number 1 fighter in the world lose to a virtual unknown Thai garbage man, it would benefit no one financially. The only people that may have been happy about this result were the legions of Mayweather fanboys on the net who resent all the hype Roman gets as far as being the new P4P No. 1 or for some other bizarre reason, but I doubt internet fanboy's opinions hold much sway with Boxing judges.

Roman lost a close fight in which he got the hell beaten out of him by the harder puncher and the bigger man, he fought valiantly, produced another brilliant FOTY contender, but the result was fairly just. Finally the judges in Vegas got one right, and that's with the ****ty ref deducting an unnecessary point for an entirely unintentional butt. Roman did awesomely, but last night just wasn't his night and Super Flyweight just isn't and will never be his division.

In closing, Roman it could be argued did enough to possibly edge 6 rounds, so it could have been a draw, maybe at best if stretching it, Roman by a point, but Sor Rungvisai by a point or two is completely plausible as well, so stop the bellyaching, it was no robbery.
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The gangsters made money off this fight. What were the odds again?

PIPO23 · Mar 26, 2017

Thai won let that sink in and move on.

PrinceNaseemHamed · Mar 26, 2017

I don't like to call robbery ever but this absoluely was, Gonzalez still won the fight despite being constantly headbutted

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