WAS CHRIS BYRDS KO@ LGHT HEAVY Evidence that Weight Loss effected ROy Jones?

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  1. thePRESIDENT

    thePRESIDENT Active Member Full Member

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    I know people may have brought this up before....but threads in Eastside tend to deviate from the question..

    I beleive the weight loss really effected Roy....not only that I think losing weight at such an advanced age also effected him..

    Chris Byrd has always had fairly decent resistance,,,,i dont think its any coincidence that he was dispatched so easy.

    There is a reason that there have only been 2 Heavys in history that have moved down to win a Light heavy gong.
     
  2. detached909

    detached909 New Member Full Member

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    i think that big right hand is what ended his night. he did seem a little slow though. ugly ko too felt bad to see him go out like that!
     
  3. thePRESIDENT

    thePRESIDENT Active Member Full Member

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    Another thing Roy Jones mentioned.....was his punch output at Heavy was far less vs Ruiz....it took time for him to adapt to throwing higher output of punches
     
  4. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    No.
    But if you belive that.

    Then Fernando Vargas has legit reason for losing his big fight's
    after ballooning to +200lbs after each of his fight's.
    Imagine shrinking all the way down to 154, 160, 168 ect....
    [More weight than Jones Jr. had to lose]

    Same with Roberto Duran, Riddick Bowe ect..
    Just an excuse used by Jones Jr. true or not, it's still an EXCUSE.
     
  5. Kostya Zoo

    Kostya Zoo Well-Known Member Full Member

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    let's not forget that there's a strong possibility that some illegal substances may have had a lot to do with Roy Jone's downfall.

    I mean, if you come off that **** too fast all sorts of bad things can happen.
     
  6. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    They did not have to lose muscle.
     
  7. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Theres no question or doubt that it effected him. The quality of the mass and conditioning that both men lost wsa drastic. Byrds was even more dramatic as at a late stage in his life he lost close to 40lbs and he looked horrible. His face looked gaunt he had no punch resistance and his body was accustomed and climatised to a weight that he`d been at for well over a decade.

    Jones was the same. Bearing in mind he was a solid 200lbs he had no business coming back down to 75 thats just insane. Im 235lbs. My lean bodyweight with no fat is 198lbs. That means i cant make 200lbs or even i choose too it would be far too dangerous. My conditioning doesnt have a fraction on an ATG like Jones so i dread to think the trauma his body was going through.
     
  8. Tuavale

    Tuavale Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jones never should have moved down. Of course it affected him. Pre-Ruiz no one could touch him at LH. Post Ruiz his reflexes lost just enough to make him hittable. I like Glen Johnson more than most fighters but I don't think he would have touched the pre-Ruiz Jones. Jones became ordinary over night when he dropped all that carefully sculpted muscle mass.:smoke :smoke
     
  9. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    Anything and everything is possible. Who knows honestly. Dropping a lot of weight does effect all fighters just effects some differently than others.

    hatesrats, the only difference I see is that Roy Jones put on weight to 200lbs of pretty much solid muscle, I mean there wasn't that much fat involved. It's not like he pulled a James Toney and put on all the blubber to make HW. If he was starching muscle mass (ass opposed to Vargas/Hatton etc burning off burritos and beer) Than that would be much more devastating.
     
  10. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Vargas balooned to 200lbs plus of blubber. Thats a BIG BIG and significant diffrent. Weight isnt quantified by its poundage. Its qauntified by its type and condition. IE a lb of muscle and a lb of fat are clearly not the same. When muscles begin to atrophy through catabolisation which is what Byrd and Jones would have gone through it has massive negative impacts on your overall performance. Thats a FACT.
     
  11. thePRESIDENT

    thePRESIDENT Active Member Full Member

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    didnt effect him vs Ruiz and Woods???

    that was post Richard hall
     
  12. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    'Roids is a hella of a drug.
    It ruins everything it builds.
    (Castles made of Sand)
    I defo agree with the blubber vs. Muscle tho no question.
     
  13. newrp01

    newrp01 Active Member Full Member

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    Losing fat != Losing Muscle
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    O please. Any form of Hormones does NOT make you a more skilled fighter. The effects of hormone use in a boxing ring are minimal when compared to other sports espcially if the hormones are anabolic. Hormones can be out of your system within days so coming off it too "quickly" is NOT a factor in the slightest as well as your lack of knowledge on hormone abuse.
     
  15. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Care to explain?:roll: