Was Cus D Amato the ultimate trainer in boxing history?Or were there others?

Yes, I have seen some of his OCD meets “the art of war“ quotations. It sounds as if it would’ve been exhausting to be in his head!

 

True..I cant remember now what year Futch came aboard but Joe was showing a good rt hand in the first Quarry fight

 

Futch had been working with Frazier for more than half a dozen fights by the time he fought Quarry.

The big thing Futch did was get Frazier low and bobbing and weaving so he could get inside more easily without getting smashed. If these changes weren't made Frazier would have had a much more difficult time as the opposition got better. Futch turned a disadvantage into somewhat of an advantage you could almost say.

 

Bingo. Golf is not a terrible parallel tho even more technical. There were quite a few method teachers emerging particularly in the 70 early 80's but history has shown us that this only works for some. The great teachers can recognize genius (or effectiveness in lesser cases) and make minor changes to encourage it rather than complete overhauls that could likely destroy it. Physical traits etc which you mention also comes into it. Ben Hogan swung flat and low, Jack way upright yet they are 2 of the best 3 ever. Unorthodox break the mold top golfers are countless like Trevino, Floyd, Furyk, Daley, Palmer, Dustin, Wolff etc

 

He was indeed.

Let me add one thing tho, and i hate to be even a teeny bit negative when it comes to Futch.

Mostly only his winning strategies and moments are trumpeted. There are so many fights where people don't even know he was in the losing corner. A lot of his strategies did not result in triumph. Having said that your fighter has to be good enough to carry out that strategy and sometimes no strategy in the world is going to be enough. He did come up with some beautiful winning plans tho and i have often put them forward in here. ATG plans.

 

He also had Monroe (again) in the Hagler rematch less than 12 months after they initially whupped Hagler. Admittedly Monroe did lose by stoppage to Love in between the bouts.

He also had Shuler for the Hearns fight and said numerous chinks in Hearns armour had emerged. He spent countless hours showing Shuler how to get inside Hearns reach and take away his power.

Of course they all have their losses and Eddie is way in the convo for the greatest of them. We have to remember all sides tho.

 

Nothing.

 

For a more modern standout would be Adrian Davis out of DC I believe. He had Simon Brown and may have had Maurice Blocker for a time as well.

 

Was he the greatest trainer in boxing history? Hard to say, because their have been so many excellent trainers. Some, that got the most out of fighters that wasn't very gifted. But he would be in my top 5-8 trainers in history.

 

Adrian Davis was one I was trying to think of in my post. He is a respected trainer. This is a 2009 article about Davis and lists some of the boxers he trained.
https://boxingalongthebeltway.blogspot.com/2009/03/trainer-of-champions-davis-turns-65.html

"...Davis, a welterweight boxer from 1965-1972, has trained 14 world champions during his long career including the likes of Sharmba Mitchell, William Joppy, Keith Holmes and Hasim Rahman..."

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Eddie was amazing all the way around. I think one man who would be up there next to Eddie is Jack Blackburn. Jack was a different type of guy. Died at a younger age. As far as knowledge I don't think you can be much better.

 

Yes. It was after Bonevena 1. 1966. Eddie quit the Post Office and came in full time with Frazier. I am pretty sure that Futch was more or less Managing Frazier with Yank somewhat of a figure head. Joe didn't know this.