Was Cus D Amato too over protective of his fighters? Floyd Patterson.

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  1. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    Was Cus D Amato too over protective of his fighters? Floyd Patterson for example. The problem with this is that the fighters become too co dependent. It is like an overbearing parent, not letting the child to grow up.
     
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  2. Bah Lance

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    No. He got him to the Heavyweight Title and about 4 p
     
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  3. GoldenHulk

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    I'd say yes when it came to Sonny Liston, but overall no.
     
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  4. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    He did, very true. But look at other fighters, Muhammad Ali for example, he did just fine in the Jimmy Ellis bout in 1971, Dundee was in Ellis's corner, Ali had Harry Wiley. Some experienced fighters know instinctively what to do. Being overprotective stunts growth, having a good manager helps, but your opinion is greatly respected.
     
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    True, but I doubt Ali was really concerned with Jimmy Ellis, even with Dundee working with Ellis against him.
     
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  6. Richard M Murrieta

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    It is though the overprotected fighter cannot grow on his own without that trainer, you probably have see this happen, so have I. A fighter cannot have his hand held forever. Others have suceeded with various trainers, namely Larry Holmes, Richie Giachetti, Ray Arcel, and Eddie Futch, it sometimes is best for mental and physical growth.
     
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  7. HolDat

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    Patterson and Tyson were known for having fragile psyches. He tried his best to teach them mental strength.
     
  8. ETM

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    Yes no doubt.

    It bordered on disgraceful. Patterson was a sensitive guy and it must have hurt his confidence over time. When your manager doesn't believe in you that can't feel good. Cus had a personal crusade against the IBC. In a sense it was justified but also self serving.

    In a nutshell, it was great for Floyd Patterson. His $. Horrible for fans.
     
  9. Richard M Murrieta

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    It is my opinion for the fighters with a fragile psych it is best to recruit the help of a good therapist to be on the team. Ken Norton sought the help of a licensed Therapist prior to his first bout against Muhammad Ali for Hypnosis sessions.
     
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    Because a mentally fragile individual can be greatly damaged by a fighter who uses psychological warfare against them. I remember in the first Ali vs Floyd Patterson fight, Ali called Floyd the Rabbit. He toyed, talked and teased him during the first round, making noises at Floyd when he connected on him. Better boxing fundamentals did not help him. Only a guy like Frazier could take this type of warfare, he was not sheltered as a child.
     
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  11. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I know, because after his loss to Ingo in 1959, he donned the fake beard.
     
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  12. HolDat

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    For sure. Cus' old school ways wouldm't have let that happen imo
     
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  13. mr. magoo

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    He did what he had to do to protect his fighter AND make him successful. I’d say he achieved both.
     
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    He did but what about beyond that? By doing that he is essentially taking his fighter by the hand, mollycoddling him. He will be no good as a fighter later and as a person he might as well be sucking his thumb, talking like an infant. It is good to be a good trainer but essentially you are ruining a fighter. What happens let say to that fighter if the trainer is ill and cannot be with him, and he has to go against a really talented fighter, that fighter will freeze, too well protected. Co dependency at it's best. Remember the fictional Rocky III movie, Mickey overprotected Rocky from good opponents, Clubber Lang destroyed him.
     
  15. mr. magoo

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    Every man has his limitations. If Cus had managed him differently and thrown him to the wolves, he may have produced the worlds greatest fighter ever...... Then again he might have permanently wrecked a man for the rest of his life. He did what he thought was best and turned Patterson into a successful, wealthy, and historically renowned fighter who remained healthy after boxing and lived a long life...... Take your pick...
     
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